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Lurking. My 94 SC needs better h/lights!

Do I still need the HD headlight harness/relay kit, with this projector conversion?

With white angel eyes, which color HID is closest to "legal"?

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HIDs use an entirely different type of light emission technology; a small cavity inside the bulb is filled with a gas (in our case, Xenon) and an arc of electricity is forced through it to excite the gas and cause it to emit light. Close to 30,000 volts is required to get that arc started, so ballasts are required. I's essentially a miniature version of streetlight bulbs. The kit includes everything you need except additional wiring and connectors.

Technically any aftermarket modification to stock headlights is illegal, however this conversion is the closest you can come to a legal HID retrofit in our cars (least amount of glare to oncoming drivers' eyes, perhaps even less than the stock halogens if aligned correctly). As far as color, the closest to stock halogens would be 2700k, which isn't available (at least with this manufacturer). With white angel eyes, the coolest temperature is 5,000k. However with blue angel eyes (not sure of legality) they offer 4300k.

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So since I must run/want to run white halos, I would order 5000? Will 5000 look like HID's used on new cars?

Do I need the HD headlight harness/relay that folks use to make thier OE halogens get the full 14 volts? Or will these HID's perform properly plugged into the Ford headlight harness?

My Daughter is the 94 SC's primary driver. When I drive it, I'm amazed at how POOR the OE headlights are!! That is why I'm here.

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You wire the included harness up to the battery/fused +12v circuit of your choice in addition to plugging the existing 9007 harness into the control module. If you like, I can post the wiring schematic here. And yes, 5000k will look like HIDs on newer cars. I am not sure, however, of how these will react with the different lens type on the older style headlights. You also don't need to wire up the halos at all; I busted the bulb on one of my projectors during the install and just left both sides unhooked. The 96/97 housings use a clear plastic cover; the older ones use some kind of refraction system on the cover.

There are some pictures on pgs 2/3 I took of things as I was working on the install.

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I will try to get some 96-97 lamps.

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They are the same projectors that came in the kits we all have used but do not include ballasts, from the same manufacturer. That would be the way to go if you already have ballasts to re-use.

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I'm still playing with the alignment on mine.

I can't find any walls with level ground around here, so I've been messing with them little by little and driving.

One thing I'm noticing is that the cutoff and very steep on these, compared to an OE projector. Been thinking about opening the drivers side up and modifying the shield to get more light on the left side without having to aim them higher up and start blinding people.

I also have a weird yellow shadow/reflection on the driver side. I actually had to put a piece of tape on the outside of the headlight in a 1"sq to block that shadow..

All in all, still happy with them, but I am going to be replacing mine with the fx-r projectors (and d2s bulbs! )from http://store.theretrofitsource.com/ after we're done with our vacation in a couple months.

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Are they angled properly inside the housings? Like on the x-axis?

Took a bit of tweaking to get mine right and I had to keep turning the lens itself inside the housing ever so slightly here and there before it got it exactly the way i wanted. Now they are (almost) perfect... its too cold to continue working on them lol.

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I'm still playing with the alignment on mine.

I can't find any walls with level ground around here, so I've been messing with them little by little and driving.

One thing I'm noticing is that the cutoff and very steep on these, compared to an OE projector. Been thinking about opening the drivers side up and modifying the shield to get more light on the left side without having to aim them higher up and start blinding people.

I also have a weird yellow shadow/reflection on the driver side. I actually had to put a piece of tape on the outside of the headlight in a 1"sq to block that shadow..

All in all, still happy with them, but I am going to be replacing mine with the fx-r projectors (and d2s bulbs! )from http://store.theretrofitsource.com/ after we're done with our vacation in a couple months.

Have you did the little bulb mod that Brandon performed? I believed he stock a little wire or something similar in front of the bulb, and then clamped the bulb on. The result was the bulb was sitting a little further back and changed the angle of the light a little bit. I'll have to go back just to verify.

Sweet with the FX-R projector that you're going to try soon. It's also what i'm going to be doing for the final project of my car. And actually that's what I have at my buddies shop right now doing a retrofit to his truck.. It is a bit more difficult, because you have to actually add all of the adjusting points, and it's difficult to get it just right...... But D2S is the way to go!!

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I just snapped off part of the end of the retaining pin and flattened it out with pliers then stuck it into one of the grooves in the bulb to hold it in place. I'm not sure I want to keep it that way, I'll probably mess with it when it warms up. But for now it works out. But yes, I was getting a little bit of a shadow like he was describing and pulling the bulb back a little fixed that.

Yeah, these kits aren't perfect. But for under $150, considering how drastic the difference between the effectiveness of the stock lighting system and these are as well as the ease of installation... I'm certainly not complaining.

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I'm still playing with the alignment on mine.

I can't find any walls with level ground around here, so I've been messing with them little by little and driving.

One thing I'm noticing is that the cutoff and very steep on these, compared to an OE projector. Been thinking about opening the drivers side up and modifying the shield to get more light on the left side without having to aim them higher up and start blinding people.

I also have a weird yellow shadow/reflection on the driver side. I actually had to put a piece of tape on the outside of the headlight in a 1"sq to block that shadow..

All in all, still happy with them, but I am going to be replacing mine with the fx-r projectors (and d2s bulbs! )from http://store.theretrofitsource.com/ after we're done with our vacation in a couple months.

I'm OUT! I wouldn't have the patience for the above. When I do a repair, or install, I want it right , the first time. I think I'll buy the HD relay headlight harness, some 80/100 9007 Hella's and call it done.

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I'm OUT! I wouldn't have the patience for the above. When I do a repair, or install, I want it right , the first time. I think I'll buy the HD relay headlight harness, some 80/100 9007 Hella's and call it done.
I wouldnt have the patience for doing all the work it will take to get those hellas in only to have the outcome the same as it was before.

Brandon, any updates with bulbs?

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They still say they don't have any... which quite frankly I don't understand, but if ever they get any they say they'll contact me.


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thanks bro.

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I wouldnt have the patience for doing all the work it will take to get those hellas in only to have the outcome the same as it was before.

Brandon, any updates with bulbs?

I believe the Hella's are a direct replacement, just higher wattage, 9007. I installed the HD Harness on my Excurson. It was easy and made the lights considerably brighter, using stock 9004's.

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I had the 80/95 watt bulbs installed before I put my HIDs in. To be honest I didn't really notice a difference with the 80 watt bulbs compared to the stock 55 watt bulbs. Your results may be different, but if you look at the second picture I posted in post 34, you can see the difference between the 80W halogen and the HID projector side by side. The picture makes the halogen look brighter than it actually was; I could barely see its focal point on the garage door in real life.

Also I have heard you can seriously damage your stock wiring for the headlamps if you run the higher wattage bulbs for too long. I was running them for about two months and didn't notice anything though.

Not trying to sway your decision, just trying to be sure you're informed.

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I was running a relay system for my lights to begin with and although I did pick up almost a whole volt at the bulb from it, it didn't do jack schit to the output. It still sucked.

See, though, I bet if you were to drive with these you'd be flabbergasted with the difference.

Its just turned into a disease.. I've got a taste of HID, and now I want more. Thats really what my problem is, I can't (won't?) leave well enough alone. I want brighter, wider, cleaner! I'm already scheming on where to put the HID driving lights too!

btw, yes, they're horizontally aligned well. I'll mess with the bulb maybe after I get some replacements.. I can't really deal with blowing a bulb out or killing a controller right now. And besides, it has been raining all week.

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I know the feeling. When I installed my fog lamps, I thought they made all the difference in the world. Which, scarily, they did. But when I put the projectors in, I can't even tell whether the fog lights are on or not. I've occasionally thought about putting H1 HIDs inside the housing while rigging up some rudimentary cutoff within the lens, but again... the projectors blast so much light ahead it wouldn't be necessary.

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I plan on putting them in my reverse lights sometime this spring

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I'd lie if I said I hadn't thought of it. Let us know how that works out for you.

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So I have to wait an extra 40 seconds for them to heat up before backing in. Not a biggie right? lulz.

Its def. going to happen, no question about it.

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Okay, here are a few more pics to add to the collection. On the left we have another '97 with Sylvania Silverstars installed. On the right is me with the projectors kit installed:






If anyone really wants, I can get another shot with a faster exposure to bring the glare down some.

Speaking of which, notice how there is actually less glare from the HIDs than there is from the halogens when looking at them head-on?

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These do look good - if you're starting a business to mod Tbird housings for projectors, let me know how much you charge I may be interested
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Haha, not starting a "business" but I guess I could do the dirty work for anyone who'd be interested. All I'd want is the $$ for return shipping.

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hey brandon, how hard was it to install the projectors?
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Easy. Do it.

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Yep, pretty easy. I used a dremel to do a little bit of grinding to get them aimed down as far as I could, but Canadian_LX and ummduh didn't, so it's not necessary. The advantage to my way of doing it was that I can completely uninstall the projectors and reinstall the halogens at any time, without having to replace any parts (I didn't drill any holes in the housings).

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i guess the only thing that i fear is how terrible the are gunna look in the 95 cougar housings
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The thing I'd worry about is the refracting lens covers.

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