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Whats the wattage rating between stock halogen and the HID's? Are the HID's going to pull more from the electrical system?


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stock wattage on halogen bulbs is what 75watts? and wattage on hid's are 35watts. if it's rated at more than 35 watts its not true hid, unless its dual beam as in high/low beam. what do you think the ballasts and igniters are for in a hid setup?
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is there some trick to gettin hid bulbs to work in our cars? i bought an hid kit for the 9007 bulb off a friend of mine, got them put in, ballasts and igniters all hooked up, and they wouldnt light up, we tried them in my buddies 05 ion redline, which also has 9007 bulbs, and they worked immediatly, these r just the bulbs in a halogen housing, im just confused as to why they worked in his car, but not in the thunderbird, they were hooked up exactly the same in both cars, i cant figure out why they werent working
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do you use any relay system for the ballast to draw current directly from the battery? if not you are running the risk of killing your mfs switch because when the ballast kick in it draws quite a few amp.

also some car have ground switch while some have positive switch lighting system. our is positive switch and his maybe ground switch.

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no i wasnt using a relay system, it might be the switch system, oh well, ill get my money back, i was just looking forward to having hids
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Is there still a possibility for a tech write up or did that get the axe?
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Im glad this thread is sticky and hope people read it. Ive seen alot of mis-advertising of bulbs especially on Ebay. Mostly I see:

9007 HID bulbs for 94-97 Thunderbirds

First of all these cars dont have HID stock and you cant just stick HID bulbs in without the projector system, but if someone who doesnt really understand the lighting parts read that they may think they can just stick HID bulbs in and they would work.

I know someone here has managed to get the HID system to work in a MN12 but from what Ive read its alot of work and a little expensive.

An alternative to HID which I did was get a upgraded headlight wiring harness for the 9007 bulbs, it has 2 relays and connects directly to the battery with 16 gauge wiring so you dont have the voltage limitations of the fusebox. The harness does NOT include fuses so you will have to add some in yourself. Actually if you plan on upgrading to true HID some day you will need this harness.
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For my MN12 the problem was always dim headlights and couldnt see well at night. I always wanted to improve it without having to add driving lights and this was a good solution for me. Although now I do want to also add in the driving lights. Sometimes I drive long distances (700 miles) and so part of the driving is at night, I like to light up a good area because Ive seen cars which have ran into Deer, Elk, and even cows which is like running into a brick wall.

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is there some trick to gettin hid bulbs to work in our cars? i bought an hid kit for the 9007 bulb off a friend of mine, got them put in, ballasts and igniters all hooked up, and they wouldnt light up, we tried them in my buddies 05 ion redline, which also has 9007 bulbs, and they worked immediatly, these r just the bulbs in a halogen housing, im just confused as to why they worked in his car, but not in the thunderbird, they were hooked up exactly the same in both cars, i cant figure out why they werent working
probally crappy old 9007 connecters in your car and nice new ones in your friends brand new car. i hard wired my hid kit

and as for blueeyes post before
you can just stick hid bulbs in the stock housings, thats what I did and it does work great. look around you'll see. you need ballasts of course.

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you can just stick hid bulbs in the stock housings, thats what I did and it does work great. look around you'll see. you need ballasts of course.

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I got my 10k pilot kit in my car in 5mins, and the first time iturned the switch, they wrked. didnt half to do any mods to get them to wrk are change fuses, and i haved them in my car for over a year.
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I got my 10k pilot kit in my car in 5mins, and the first time iturned the switch, they wrked. didnt half to do any mods to get them to wrk are change fuses, and i haved them in my car for over a year.
what you saying???work? yes? no? fuses?...

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Thats why you need to researc each kit and company to see what you get and how there suppose to work. And what it takes to make them work. Never go w cheap all the time.
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They wrorked just fine w/ no modifications. The stupid keyboard is screwed up.
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Here's an in depth analysis of HID technology, and includes some really good info on color spectrum analysis; http://www.hidplanet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=31997
After reading this I think I'm going over to the junkyard to pick up a headlight assembly and buy a projector kit out of the RS6/A6 and do some experimenting.
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i just put a set of bulbs from a 08 caddy escalade w/ballast and all.


I havent been flashed once, but they seem awful bright. How much of a difference would aiming them down make? they are a teal color (light teal) what is that 4300k?

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You can't just drop in a set of d2r bulbs into your housings. The length of the bulb itself has direct relation to where the focus of the arc itself will be in the housing. In order to have any decent beam pattern(with a lot of glare still unfortunately), the focus of that bulb needs to be exactly where a 9007 bulb would focus its filament. However, I am definitely interested in what a d2r bulb looks like in a fluted lens so if you could post a pic or two that would be awesome.

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I matched up the bulbs before i put them in. they are around the same length as a stock 9007 bulb. i figured the metal inside the halogen housing would atleast take some glare out. like i said i have not been flashed yet. they are a tad brighter than my hella optix that were in the car aswell.

I am also running a aftermarket light harness that hooks straight up to the battery aswell.

i will post pics later on this evening.

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Here are some pics.



- THEY ARE NOT THIS BRIGHT. Its the camera phone.


Here are my hella optix bulbs for brights. (Inside marker lamp)




Drove by 3 cops today and it didn't even phase em. Had some guys drive in front and oncoming and they said that they aren't bad. Almost like a superwhite halogen.

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I have some in my 92 cougar

Mine are awesome I love having them and will never take mine out I have the Hid's with the actuator or servo that pulls them down at an angle for the dims and I actually got flashed by a cop in Woodway (notorious for being jerks) I flashed back and they never bothered me. I could care less about blinding other people because I am tired of being blinded by all the high end cars in my neighbor hood any way so they can kiss it. I actually get a huge kick when someone flashes me and I get to flash them back. Any way my friend was in front of me and he said they arent as bad as some of the stupid f350s and other trucks with halogens ( he drives a mustang gt) Any way he said they are pretty bright though and can be very harsh on the bright setting. I can see way better at night and I love them and I just ordered some more for my 97 t-bird. I will post pics some time any way I do want to make my own projector style headlight casing like gohst and some of the others but for now the cheap ones from ebay are great and I wont give them up.

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Hey everyone,

I'm considering getting this for my car. What do you guys think?

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Why not use HID as hi-beams only?

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why in the h*** would you do that?!?! its a total waste

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why in the h*** would you do that?!?! its a total waste
Not if you live in rural areas, also it helps midagate the legal issue plus is safer for fellow drivers.

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its still a waste. HID's are really meant for looks and secondly for clarity

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its still a waste. HID's are really meant for looks and secondly for clarity
Try diving with it in thick fog, there is a reason for the yellowish halogen light. Now yes in clear conditions I'd agree with you but the refraction of the HID light can be a serious issue in fog afflicted areas.

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A simple solution to that would be a lower temperature HID bulb. I'm running 3200k hids in my foglights right now. Holy crap does it make a difference and it looks just like a slightly yellow halogen. In fact, I probably see more with those fogs than my headlamps alone.

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so why don't mark 8s have projector lenses? everything i've found just shows a bulb and the headlight housing just like a halogen

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so why don't mark 8s have projector lenses? everything i've found just shows a bulb and the headlight housing just like a halogen
Mark 8s use a proprietary bulb that's unique to the vehicle. The mark 8 was the first car in the US to have HIDs so it doesn't have a standardized bulb like a D2S. The housing uses a reflector but it is designed for an HID focus. The bulb has a glare shield and the reflector takes into account the large dispursed transmission of light from arc discharge bulbs.

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interesting....

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