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so you couldn't just use a mark 8 bulb in a thunderbird headlight housing?

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so you couldn't just use a mark 8 bulb in a thunderbird headlight housing?
If you want proper HIDs you can't put any HID bulb into a tbird halogen housing.

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then just to clarify, since nobody makes projector housings for the thunderbird, the only way to do it is to either make custom projectors like porkchop did or blind everyone on the road. am i right?

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Or you can do what I did and put projectors into our housings. They fit with 20 seconds worth of modification.

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I also stress the importance of properly ALIGNING these lights after you install them.

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then just to clarify, since nobody makes projector housings for the thunderbird, the only way to do it is to either make custom projectors like porkchop did or blind everyone on the road. am i right?
Yup, exactly. I HIGHLY recommend a projector retrofit. Once
you do it you will never go back.

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You can use normal HID kits in these housings, just try to keep the lights angled a bit low so as not to annoy people.

As for the whole "blinding people" ... to be honest i couldnt care less. I get blinded by people in Escalades all the time with projectors because they sit so high, or any other truck/suv with them. Even my fathers F-150 which does not have projectors or even HID's for that matter, is still a nuisance simply because of the height.

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You can use normal HID kits in these housings, just try to keep the lights angled a bit low so as not to annoy people.
I would only do this on the 89-95 style fresnelled lens headlights. The 96-97 reflector based housings cause SO much glare it's ridiculous. Ridiculous.

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^^ mine are perfectly fine - control the light way better than my old sunfire did which had those "fluted" lenses.

As I said, aiming and control of the light is everything.

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^^ mine are perfectly fine - control the light way better than my old sunfire did which had those "fluted" lenses.

As I said, aiming and control of the light is everything.

Yes, aiming and control of the light IS everything, and that's something that can't be done with an arc discharge bulb in a halogen housing. It's just not possible.

But since you don't care that you're blinding the sh¡t out of people, you're good to go. To each their own...

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As for the whole "blinding people" ... to be honest i couldnt care less. I get blinded by people in Escalades all the time with projectors because they sit so high, or any other truck/suv with them. Even my fathers F-150 which does not have projectors or even HID's for that matter, is still a nuisance simply because of the height.
I used to blind people in a 87 jeep wrangler I used to drive simply because it was kinda tall. The HIDs in the tbird dont get me flashed very often though. I dont have projectors.
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I was just about to buy a HID kit for my '93 LX till I read this thread.
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Still amazes me after showing reputable tech info including DOT info on the housings and from the LIGHT MANUFACTURERS that people are still trying justify no projectors in our dated housings and saying things like "I couldn't care less" if I blind someone because hey other people do it to me so it makes it ok. Same D-bags who turn my auto dimming mirror black at night and that I flip off cause they blind me from oncoming traffic at night. I'm not usually someone to get to worked up over stuff or wish people harm but if your "that guy" who just doesn't give a crap about his fellow drivers or their safety I honestly hope someone blinds you like that, you hit something and total your car. At least that way the rest of us can sit back and enjoy the ride without sweating the idiot drivers out there who are only concerned with themselves and how cool their lights look.

I said my piece, and I am not going to be checking this post for reply's. So if your the 16yo kid with the $40 ebay kit who doesn't give a **** about the people around him on the road don't bother trying to start a flame war here I won't be watching or responding.

Oh and PS Awesome writeup Falcon it for sure should be added to the Tech sticky section.
So, is there a question or some tech info in there??? Did you resurrect this thread just to whine to everyone?

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Nope your right it just annoyed me reading it. Actually I'll just erase it its not very constructive. But I still think it should be sticky and everyone's but the actual info should be removed.

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Well, I thought I would update this sticky with some useful info. I bought an HID conversion kit for my Mark VIII on the low beam side. I got a cheap $35 set off eBay and they lasted about 4 months before one of the ballasts burned out.

Something to think about if you're considering an HID conversion kit; my next set will cost me more money, but I'm getting a Lifetime Warranty. I was looking at this site: http://www.hidkitxenonlights.com/

If someone knows a better site that is 'tried and true' with a good warranty and low failure rate, please enlighten me!

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the 94-5s have more room than the 96-7s, but you'd have to sand down the lenses of the tbird headlights. I've got a retro in progress, I'm pretty damn near completion given the amount of trial and error I've had to put into it. I'm using E55 bi-xenons and with trimiming I've managed to squeeze em in. S2Ks are the world's greatest, than Valeos (or so the consensus says), then the E46/55. Personally I'm so far satisfied with the E55s I have (pulled from a new 7-series). You can also browse the exterior forum and find a thread "Gauging Interest: HID retrofit" for my progess. I haven't updated it lately but I plan on doing so sometime this weekend
couldn't find that thread , but would be interested in reading this
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This is the thread mentioned, it's quite old and there are newer options.

Gauging Interest: HID retrofit

My post above links to details on a projector (unfortunately) discontinued that was a direct swap.

And here is a thread detailing the installation of the (in my opinion) best projector to retrofit that is currently available - the Morimoto Mini available from theretrofitsource.com.

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Are these the blue headlights that blind on coming drivers?

If so they should be illegal.

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Are these the blue headlights that blind on coming drivers?

If so they should be illegal.
Depends on the HID bulbs you put in.

Which is why I tend to be rather anal about "Keep it between 4300K and 6000K" on forums

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Depends on the HID bulbs you put in.

Which is why I tend to be rather anal about "Keep it between 4300K and 6000K" on forums

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Also depends if the person who installed them realigned them after the installation - AND if they knew what they were doing while doing so.

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Also depends if the person who installed them realigned them after the installation - AND if they knew what they were doing while doing so.
X3 and if they have a way to focus it with a cutoff line installed. I've seen some really good installations and some really bad ones... *cough "$40 ebay kit" cough cough*

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I'm going to add here that any form of HID system in a non HID equipped vehicle is actually illegal. Doesn't matter bulb color, PnP vs. proper retrofit, or anything it's all illegal. Now stating that, a proper retrofit will never garner unwanted attention, it'll be safer for other motorists, and you'll see better.

Aiming the lights down after putting a PnP kit in reflectors negates the purpose of HIDs and actually creates an even worse field of light in front of the car. Too much foreground light which kills your distance vision and you will still throw a lot of unwanted light everywhere.

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I had this done on my 1997 Sable and went past all sorts of cops. They were 7000Ks, I never got pulled over or flashed at. They actually made my Sable stand out a bit.

I don't know about other areas of the country, but these kind of lights are a little out of style. Most people with newer cars get them from the factory. You actually don't see Mark VIII style colors on headlights anymore. They were big 10 years ago.

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7000K is a very odd color temperature I've never seen done before. I'm not sure what you mean by Mark VIII style colors? All OEM xenon systems, with the exception of a handful of vehicles produced in the last 2 years, use 4300K bulbs. That includes all reflector based xenon systems as well. The exceptions are a handful of vehicles that use Osram CBI bulbs which are 5000K. As xenon capsules age they will colorshift and get bluer in color until they start the early stages of failure when they start to turn pink.

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Great Old Thread~! - I'm leaning toward the Projector Conversion Kits on Ebay where you mod existing Housing to install Projector.... given the poor Reflector Housings on virtually all 90's Fords I concur that's the way to go - Prices on these have plummeted on Ebay.

93-96 MKVIII with the BS twin Hi & Lo Beam 9005 Bulbs are the absolute WORST Reflector Housings ever made by anyone - They actually failed the Fed Test when new & that's when they put 9005's in the Low Beams & added a Reflector to squeek by the Fed Test - I'm having a hard time believing even an el-cheapo HID Bulb Conversion Kit could hurt anyone's eyes on the Highway in a 93-96 Mk Housing - T Bird & Crown Vic Housing almost as bad but 93-96 MKVIII the clear winner of worst Housing EVER... my 61 Falcon had better Headlights.

50 W LED "Driving Light" Kits look interesting too but aint no kinda Bulb gonna fix a poor reflector Housing - A new Projector Housing could though.

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