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I've been on a journey and I'm almost at the end.

When my temp gauge stopped working I decided to revisit the idea of a custom gauge cluster. I've attached the result. I also attached the mock up of the mounting plate. Once I get the wiring worked out I'll update this thread.
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nice. I still have my cardboard template for my setup but still haven't done it yet. someday ill get to it.
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When you get it installed send pic. Its going to look nice.
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-10.5:1 Compression Ratio
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Mac 1 5/8 long tube headers
FRPP 42# injectors
3.73 gears
Custom aluminum driveshaft
Built Darrin/dirtyd0g AOD with wide ratio gearset
dirtyd0g 9.5" Custom Torque Converter
Quarterhorse ECM from Moates
Zeitronix ZT-2 WB O2
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Did you wire in a charging light for the alternator? If not, it won't charge.

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Did you wire in a charging light for the alternator? If not, it won't charge.
Yep, definitely. It's the red light in the lower left corner. The other light is the check engine light. I also discovered that even though I don't want the Door Ajar light, I need it in order for it to turn off the courtesy lights.

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OK, I didn't even look at the colors of those lights, and was just assuming they were the turn signals. But given that they aren't, did you put lights somewhere for those? If not, do your blinkers signal fast like a bulb is out?

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OK, I didn't even look at the colors of those lights, and was just assuming they were the turn signals. But given that they aren't, did you put lights somewhere for those? If not, do your blinkers signal fast like a bulb is out?
Well, the turn signals and high beam indicator are integrated into the speedometer. However, you may be onto something that I'm missing. I have wired a light from Painless wiring into the circuit (GY/Y-687 on one leg and LG/R-904) on the other leg of the light as per my EVTM. However, when I start the car and run it the light stays on and isn't charging. I don't have the Check Gauges light wired in but I'm suspicious that I would need to do that. However, now that I'm looking closer at the EVTM, it appears that I need to wire in a 500ohm resistor across the legs of the light. Does that sound right?

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Built Darrin/dirtyd0g AOD with wide ratio gearset
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So when are you going to start making these for us for a handsome fee?
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So when are you going to start making these for us for a handsome fee?
Long answer: This was a pretty hack job. I made the plate with a miter saw, angle grinder and a drill press with a circle cutter. I made spacers out of square steel tubing to bring the plate forward enough to more or less conform to the front trim piece. The plate is covered with a vinyl, carbon fiber looking, self-adhesive sheet. It definitely looks better than it is. It works though.

Short answer: not any time soon.

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In theory, it should work without the resistor. That is just there so that if the bulb burns out, it still makes the connection and still charges. Are those lights LEDs? If so, it might be wired backwards, which would prevent voltage from going through it and to the alternator.

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did you have the option gauge light color on the gauges. This makes me want to do one a metal with a Damascus pattern in it.
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In theory, it should work without the resistor. That is just there so that if the bulb burns out, it still makes the connection and still charges. Are those lights LEDs? If so, it might be wired backwards, which would prevent voltage from going through it and to the alternator.
I bought this: Painless 80209

It didn't come with any instructions and I generally can't find any specific details or instructions for it. All indications are that it's LED. However, the two wires are the same color. I guess I can swap the wires.

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Leds draw a lot less current than a bulb, so that's the deal if it's not charging. If the led is lit, it's in right.

IIRC, at least some of the current that drives the stator flows thru the bulb and the regulator; the output current of the Alternator is proportional to that current; if it draws too much, it lights the light.

I'd probably Solder a bulb across the led leads, out of sight.

A tungsten filament is a variable fuse, kinda.

Cold, it's a low resistance, a few ohms. But once it goes over a certain current, it starts to heat up, and the resistance goes Way up as it starts to glow.

That's why light bulbs blow when you first turn them on, usually; cold, big current, blows like a fuse.

You can buy a new flasher module that won't care about the load vs. flash rate.

It's posted here somewhere in the Exterior forum; I bought one and it plugs straight in and works great.

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Leds draw a lot less current than a bulb, so that's the deal if it's not charging. If the led is lit, it's in right.

IIRC, at least some of the current that drives the stator flows thru the bulb and the regulator; the output current of the Alternator is proportional to that current; if it draws too much, it lights the light.

I'd probably Solder a bulb across the led leads, out of sight.

A tungsten filament is a variable fuse, kinda.

Cold, it's a low resistance, a few ohms. But once it goes over a certain current, it starts to heat up, and the resistance goes Way up as it starts to glow.

That's why light bulbs blow when you first turn them on, usually; cold, big current, blows like a fuse.

You can buy a new flasher module that won't care about the load vs. flash rate.

It's posted here somewhere in the Exterior forum; I bought one and it plugs straight in and works great.
Couldn't I just put in a resistor like the EVTM indicates?

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Couldn't I just put in a resistor like the EVTM indicates?
Isn't that in addition to the bulb?

Led current its negligible to either the bulb or a 500 ohm resistor, but I believe it needs both.

I think the resistor is if the bulb blows out, for some reason.

Seems like the bulb is about 50 ohms, cold.

It also needs to flow both ways, thinking about it; it will light if Either the battery Or alternator fails.

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Isn't that in addition to the bulb?

Led current its negligible to either the bulb or a 500 ohm resistor, but I believe it needs both.

I think the resistor is if the bulb blows out, for some reason.

Seems like the bulb is about 50 ohms, cold.

It also needs to flow both ways, thinking about it; it will light if Either the battery Or alternator fails.
OK, that makes sense. Unfortunately it looks like I have two 4.6K ohm resistors and no others on hand. Radio Shack is dead. Dammit.

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Built Darrin/dirtyd0g AOD with wide ratio gearset
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OK, that makes sense. Unfortunately it looks like I have two 4.6K ohm resistors and no others on hand. Radio Shack is dead. Dammit.
Use any small, ~5W incandescent bulb, 12V. it will work better than anything else.

Old School is still best sometimes.

I have a signal generator that uses a lamp in the feedback loop; it's stable as hell.

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Use any small, ~5W incandescent bulb, 12V. it will work better than anything else.

Old School is still best sometimes.

I have a signal generator that uses a lamp in the feedback loop; it's stable as hell.
Well, I ordered some 500 ohm resistors. I don't have any bulbs like that just lying around.

Edited to say that I slept on the issue and it turns out that, in my later evening grogginess apparently, I confused GY/R with LG/R thinking they were both gray instead of one being gray and one being light green. I have corrected the wiring and all is well. I still need to install the resistor but this part is all set now.

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Mac 1 5/8 long tube headers
FRPP 42# injectors
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Custom aluminum driveshaft
Built Darrin/dirtyd0g AOD with wide ratio gearset
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Top notch job. Can't think of any reason 4.6k ohm resistor wouldn't be fine. Still learning these cars however.
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OK, it's all set. The charge light is properly wired including the 500ohm resistor. The proper sending units for oil pressure and coolant temp are in place and all of the gauges that are supposed to work do work. I haven't calibrated the speedometer yet but I hope to do that tomorrow.

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375 RWHP / 416 RWTQ
11.959 @ 117.17 MPH
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That compliments your Interior nicely..







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