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the volume number means nothing.

your amps dont put out anything close to 1600 watts, probably not even a third of that.

pyramid is not a good brand to get.

theres alot better stuff to get, you just need to talk to someone who knows what they are talking about so you can know whats good.
i hate nothing more than when people tell me i don't know what i'm talking about......yes...i know my 1600 watt amps aren't pushing 1600 watts ........ yes there are better brands out there.........do i give a shyt about a name.......NO....... do i like what i got???? yes!!!! i'll admit that pyramid subs suck........but leave my friggin amps alone!!!!!! you go spend your money on expensive name brand stuff........i do when it comes to head units and component speakers, we all have choices we make......don't flame me for my choice!

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^ ^ Personally, I love the Kicker & MTX line of subs & amps...

Jeff: The local Circuit City has a nice selection of both so that may be a good place to check if you ever want to change your system. Just my .02.
i had some kicker cvr's before and they were awsome, but i wanted to get rid of the bandpass box so they had to go too......i'm leaning towards alpine type s 12's x 3 = boom boom boom

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i hate nothing more than when people tell me i don't know what i'm talking about......yes...i know my 1600 watt amps aren't pushing 1600 watts ........ yes there are better brands out there.........do i give a shyt about a name.......NO....... do i like what i got???? yes!!!! i'll admit that pyramid subs suck........but leave my friggin amps alone!!!!!! you go spend your money on expensive name brand stuff........i do when it comes to head units and component speakers, we all have choices we make......don't flame me for my choice!

if you want cheap amps, get a hifonics, alot of power and not expensive at all. the same money you spent on that amp could have gotten you twice the power and better clarity.


kicker cvrs shouldnt be in a bandpass box. they do best in a humongous ported box.
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i had some kicker cvr's before and they were awsome, but i wanted to get rid of the bandpass box so they had to go too......i'm leaning towards alpine type s 12's x 3 = boom boom boom
want boom, boom, boom? instead of type s get the type r. a single type r in properly ported box will out perform 2 or even 3 type s for less money and weight penalty.

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want boom, boom, boom? instead of type s get the type r. a single type r in properly ported box will out perform 2 or even 3 type s for less money and weight penalty.
I agree with Casper. I have 4 10 Type R's in my winter beater. Much better then a Type S. 4 is overkill, however I have two seperate boxes each ported with 2 in them. I just have my amps on switches so I can play 2 subs or 4 subs at a time.

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eh....Ever heard a RE XXX or and Adire Brahma?

JL=Overpriced.


Check out Resonant Engineering XXX or the Adire Brahma, save a couple bucks, and you'll be impressed more, if not the same as JL.

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how do the rockford fosgate p2 svc 4ohm 12"s sound? also looking at some power acoustik fubr 12" 4ohm svc's........ has anybody heard these before?

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how do the rockford fosgate p2 svc 4ohm 12"s sound? also looking at some power acoustik fubr 12" 4ohm svc's........ has anybody heard these before?
avoid the power acoustik subs, they use cheap materials that crack at mid power levels when the bass is continous.

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rockford fosgate p1 svc 4ohm 12's................
are they any good?

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hello.........any opinions on the basic p1 12's?????

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eh....Ever heard a RE XXX or and Adire Brahma?

JL=Overpriced.


Check out Resonant Engineering XXX or the Adire Brahma, save a couple bucks, and you'll be impressed more, if not the same as JL.

HA....a XXX is just as much if not more than a W7. Most prefer the W6V2 over the 7 and at less than 400 bucks on some sites...is a real bargin.

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The RF P1 subs are entry level subs and as long as you don't over power them, they should do ok for average street beating. IMO, you'd be better off spending a little more for a different sub.



As for the JL, RE, Adire subs: all the loyal RE and Adire fans out there should really check out FI audio. Funny thing - they sell recones for RE and Adire subs at a much cheaper price than RE sells them. If you are in the market for a serious sub, take a look at the BTL sub line. It's a monster.
(Here's a hint - the person behind FI audio was intrumental in both RE and Adire as well as a bunch of other companies in the past.)


For those who use 12 inch subs, you might want to check out the great 12" challenge that was done a while back: http://forum.realmofexcursion.com/forumdisplay.php?f=58

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p2svc12's ?????

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Focal 40KX, 33KX, 27WX, 33V2

sure the prices are huge, but the sound quality cannot be compared to anything else. I personally own the 33v2 and a 40KX and for a 16" sub, in the proper box will move faster than my 33v2 13".

these subs are not for the ordinary user. the ordinary user is looking for something that "bangs" and wouldn't spend 1800 on their entire system, much less on a single sub.

there have been some great arguments. I have listened to the person with the pyramid amps and subs, and if it sounds good to him, so be it. But look at it as a stepping stone in the walk of audio bliss. You will upgrade...that is for sure. As for Clif Designs...they are not as good as one would think...kinda like Audiobahn. They are under the same roof in fact. Audiobahn "bangs" but has NO sound quality what-so-ever. To me, you are just throwing away money.

RE has made excellent products relying on word-of-mouth advertising...and it has paid off. Is the XXX the do it all subwoofer? Sure... Is it the best? Far from it..but what makes the best.

that my friends is the toughest question known to the car audio world, cause to our ears, the best might be a $120 Pyramid, a $600 JL, an $800 XXX, or an $1800 Focal...

Bottom line. When looking for a subwoofer look at these points:

1) What kind of charging system do I have?
why ask this? Well, if you only have a 90amp alternator, a stock battery, 4 g wire and you have airhorns, aftermarket fog lamps, a cb radio and a few other items that are already taxing your charging system...you won't have the room for an amp much less a speaker that requires an amp.

2) What amount of power do I need?
I hear my son ask for a 2000w amp to power two subs for his car. I tell him that my car has 7 speakers in it and I only use 1600w total. Why does he need that amount of power? To wake up the neighbors is the wrong answer...

3) What amount of money do I want to spend?
I have spent a total of $300 on my son's system buying from ebay and installing it myself, but on my competition system...well lets just say I don't have one item that costs as little as my son's whole system. While this is a hobby for my son, it is a passion for me. We tend to spend more on our passions than our hobbies.

4) Who will do the install?
I am a strong believer in "if you must do it, do it right". I installed my sons system, saved a few hundred, but, I have an installer for my system. The key to a good sounding system is install. Anyone that tells you different is uninformed. An average sub placed in a properly tuned box set up to the factory specs, will sound better than a great sub in a pre-fab box...

Keep these 4 things in mind when you are designing your next system. If music is a hobby, you should be able to get a nicely designed system with appropriate charging for around 1000 bucks, but if it is your passion...the sky is the limit.

Sorry for the long post.

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AHA! so you did make your way into the audio forum!!

very good post......there's a few audiophiles like us lurking around, so hopefully we'll all get some good threads runnin!
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for low budget the pyramids are ok....... not the best but they sound good.....to me and some of my friends......... i do plan on upgrading......i'm going out of my mind waiting for my w2 to get back so i can file my taxes...... i'm going w/ alpine type s 12" 4 ohm dvc (x3) and (if i can find 3 way's) some alpine 5x7/6x8's. i already have a set of alpine 5x7/6x8 2 ways in the rear panels. i would like to have all 3way if not 4way speakers in the car. maybe someday I'll upgrade my amps....but for now they are doing the job i intended them to do. ok well welcome to the club onyrmrk...... glad to have ya here!!! by the way......sweet lookin ride!!!

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thanks Mybird_91 I can certainly understand the idea of needing good sound, so if I might suggest something. Try to shy away from the 3way triaxial speaker and just go with a good coaxial. The triaxial is just marketing hype. IMHO, look at JL audio's 5x7 components. Put the midwoofer in the doors and mount the tweeter in the a-pillars. Having the separate mid/tweet you get the tunability of having a crossover network as well. Not a bad setup. Plus they are extremely efficient,so running them off your headunit for the time being will be fine, but you will want to upgrade to a 4 channel amp to power the front and rear stages together in the future.

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2) What amount of power do I need?
I hear my son ask for a 2000w amp to power two subs for his car. I tell him that my car has 7 speakers in it and I only use 1600w total. Why does he need that amount of power? To wake up the neighbors is the wrong answer...

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Heeeeeey now. I have well over 3,000 watts per coil - what are ya trying to say. Lmao.

I agree, for streetbanging, there really isn't a need for that much power. And waking up the neighbors is a bad thing.

Off topic, but are you doing sq this year in iasca? Some interesting arguments being made over the rules regarding rta and the cap on the max spl. New rulebook coing out at CES.
I didn't see ya at finals this year - but then again, I was outside with the rest of the spl people.. we didn't get the luxury of being inside like all you sq guys.

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Heeeeeey now. I have well over 3,000 watts per coil - what are ya trying to say. Lmao.

I agree, for streetbanging, there really isn't a need for that much power. And waking up the neighbors is a bad thing.

Off topic, but are you doing sq this year in iasca? Some interesting arguments being made over the rules regarding rta and the cap on the max spl. New rulebook coing out at CES.
I didn't see ya at finals this year - but then again, I was outside with the rest of the spl people.. we didn't get the luxury of being inside like all you sq guys.

Well I wasn't at the IASCA finals this year, but rather the USAC finals. As for IASCA's rules, I have a team of people there that will hand me the rules as soon as they get back from CES. I don't like RTA, but I will tune for it if I have to. With the H701 I think I can get real close to perfect and still sound half way decent. As for the cap on spl, it doesn't really affect me that much. My last install capped at 129db, and I am sure that this one will perform to the cap if it is around 135..but personally, I think that SPL, if it is going to be implemented, should be on a decimal point advantage. This way a 135 is actually just 13.5 points, and a 145 is actually 1 point higher at 14.5points. That way people can still compete in SPL but their scoresheet isn't really dependant on whether they hit hard or not.

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how about alpine type s 200 watt 6x8 components? i found some on ebay for $105. i figure i'll just run the alpines i got in the rear now and put these in front. i also have a 300 watt 2 channel amp not being used and was wondering if you thought i would be better off using it in the front w/ the components or in back w/ the standard 6x8's???

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Personally, I would use the amp on the components up front, and use the head unit to power the rear speakers. You only want rear speakers for fill anyway, unless you plan on jamming at full volume at all times, but even then, put the more powerful amp on the front stage and leave the lower power to the rear speakers.

Think of a concert...your music is in front of you, not behind you. So keep that with the same idea and use it in the car. Hope that helps.

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yes it does. thank you.

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ok onyrmrk i've got a question for you......or anybody that can give me some advice..... I'm getting the alpine type s 4ohm dvc 12's. how do i go about wiring one sub to one amp that runs 2-4 ohm in stereo mode; and 4-8 ohm in bridged mode? i'm pretty sure my amp won't run 2 ohm stable in bridged mode but i don't really wanna run just one of the two channels from each amp. I appreciate any help you guys can give me here. also, how long of a *break in period* do i need to give these new alpines (brand new) I've never owned brand new subs until now.

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these are the new subs i got w/ some of my tax money.
Since my amps only run 4 ohm stable in mono (bridged) mode, i'm not sure how to wire these dvc subs. Correct me if i'm wrong but can i run 1 voice coil per channel (ie; 1vc to left channel, 1 vc to right channel) because my amps are 2 ohm stable in stereo mode? thanks for the help.

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anybody have a response to the questions in which i am asking???

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??? not to be impatient...........but can anybody answer my question???

1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
LT1 350
K&N Intake and Flowmaster Exhaust
1995 Lincoln Mark VIII
hollow front cats, 3rd cat still there, no resonator, replaced by a single 40 series flowmaster, 2 3"x18" tips out back. screamin demon coil packs, mallory pro wires, motorcraft platinum plugs. intake resonator delete.
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