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The little known facts about our cars thread.

I thought this would be something interesting. We all love our cars and know a lot about them, but there is always those little things that many of us don't know, like Ford spent 700 hours in the wind tunnel for the MN-12. So if you know any others list them.

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There's a lot of stuff that I now take as common knowledge that I'm sure most people would consider to be a "little-known" fact, like the ill-fated SVT Thunderbird (And the one that still exists!).

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Didn't Ford "copy" a BMW for the MN12 chassis?

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No, didn't think they copied it but they did get a lot of inspiration out of the 6 series. There's a few around here and if you look at em right it almost looks like a t'bird

Little-known fact; the results of the 700 hours in the windtunnel means that our cars have a real low drag coefficient, meaning you can drive fast with good MPG because of it

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There is a AWD mn12 concept car , and the sccoa owns it

The team that worked on the Sc specifically in the SC , got a severe reprimend for winiing the car of the year award.

the SC was severely detuned using the resonator so it would lose 15-20hp so it woundt be faster than the mustang GT.

the cougar got a SC engine in mexico up to 93

there are some unconfirmed rumors of some 1996 SC's in mexico.

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Didn't Ford "copy" a BMW for the MN12 chassis?
actually no , the mn12 suspension in 1989 was more advance that any of bmw at the time

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No, didn't think they copied it but they did get a lot of inspiration out of the 6 series. There's a few around here and if you look at em right it almost looks like a t'bird

Little-known fact; the results of the 700 hours in the windtunnel means that our cars have a real low drag coefficient, meaning you can drive fast with good MPG because of it

I think the Mn12 has more in common with the 8 Series than the 6. *shrug*

Interesting though that the SC design team got in troube for winning car of the year. lol.
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There is a AWD mn12 concept car , and the sccoa owns it
The team that worked on the Sc specifically in the SC , got a severe reprimend for winiing the car of the year award.

the SC was severely detuned using the resonator so it would lose 15-20hp so it woundt be faster than the mustang GT.

the cougar got a SC engine in mexico up to 93

there are some unconfirmed rumors of some 1996 SC's in mexico.
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Any pics?

SCCoA is really stingie about information on the AWD SC. There isn't any information on it, that I've found, outside of their member's only section.
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I have a prototype EEC here, it's marked 1998 MN-12 4.2L.

really? i'd like to hear some details about it please

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really? i'd like to hear some details about it please
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me too.....

I'm not a paying member over there either, so I don't have any other than the fact that I can confirm it exists. (though... only through hear-say.)
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I guess it's a little known fact that for a car to be considered an "SVT" car, that means it was put in to production.

Now, I'm betting some SVE T-Birds still exist.

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[QUOTE=turbospeed]
the SC was severely detuned using the resonator so it would lose 15-20hp so it woundt be faster than the mustang GT.
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My membership expired on SCCoA, but I did get to see the AWD pics. It's definitely not a prestine vehicle. Has about 70K miles iirc, and it looks like it. There were 3 prototypes made with the help of Porsche, but Ford decided their method was too expensive, so they went with another company, of whos name slips my mind right now. There really weren't any exterior photos. Practically all of them were of the custom parts that were made for the awd system. The custom transfer case, the mods to the transmission, etc.

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SCCoA is really stingie about information on the AWD SC. There isn't any information on it, that I've found, outside of their member's only section.
I was at the sccoa dinner at carlisle when duffy talked about the awd thunderbird sc that the club purchased.

It was a pretty neat presentation, the car is a blue 89, it has a way early build date on it, it could have been one of the first mn12 chassis cars produced period.

The car has super low miles on it, but its hammered to death, the engineers beat the hell out of it. It was ran on the salt and winter, so its rusty in all kinds of places.

It has alot of bmw parts on it, and alot of custom parts, also i think the awd stuff was from porsche. It has bmw brake calipers on it, and i think it had like porshe or bmw wheels on it, i forget. The company DANA was also involved in doing the front driveshafts, and other stuff like that.

George showed a bunch of pictures of the vehicle, and i suppose they plan on restoring the car.

The car is really really hammered though, i forget what was wrong with it, but the car needs a ton of work and money to make it right, and it probably needs custom one off parts to make it right again.

Also he signed a contract when he bought the car, that the car can never be driven on public roads for any reason.

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My membership expired on SCCoA, but I did get to see the AWD pics. It's definitely not a prestine vehicle. Has about 70K miles iirc, and it looks like it. There were 3 prototypes made with the help of Porsche, but Ford decided their method was too expensive, so they went with another company, of whos name slips my mind right now. There really weren't any exterior photos. Practically all of them were of the custom parts that were made for the awd system. The custom transfer case, the mods to the transmission, etc.
The company is DANA, the same company that makes drivetrain parts for lots of oems.

The car looks stock from the outside, it looks like it sat for ten years, its dark blue and beat to hell.

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Here are the pictures of the AWD SC. Don't realy know why they hide them in the members section still. It's been know about for sometime.














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Wow! That car is beat up and the piping looks tiny!

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What the hell did they do to that thing? Mines seen 345,000 and salty roads and winters and the underside is no where near that bad.

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Didn't Ford "copy" a BMW for the MN12 chassis?
They fashioned parts of the back end after the 6-series. 3/4 windows, trunk, contours etc

Very cool info about the wind tunnel and the low drag coefficient

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The 94-95 T-bird has cutouts in the front bumper for cornering lights, so maybe it was gonna be an option

The 94-95 T-Bird and ? Cougar? had an insanely expensive cellular phone option that was voice activated, which nobody purchased.

The SC was quite possibly available through 97

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Here are the pictures of the AWD SC. Don't realy know why they hide them in the members section still. It's been know about for sometime.....
wow dude, thanks for the pics, i never would of believed it, lol....

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The 94-95 T-bird has cutouts in the front bumper for cornering lights, so maybe it was gonna be an option

The 94-95 T-Bird and ? Cougar? had an insanely expensive cellular phone option that was voice activated, which nobody purchased.

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