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{Old Setup}
4.6L 4R70W

Bone stock
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chopped of mufflers,
w/ 2' tips
full weight *3940

1/4 15.8's @ 86mph 2.2 60ft.

on N20, 75 dry shot,
1/4 14.15 @ 95 mph 1.99 60ft.



{New Setup}
5.8L C6

Bone Stock
Edelbrock 600cfm Carb.
Mallory Unilte Dizzy
3' foot of exhuast,
dumped under the front seats.
Lots of weight removal *3110

1/4 14.18 @ 95 mph 1.98 60ft.

Finally got it to the track.
Whats funny is, I'm running exactly the same time I was with the 4.6l and 75 shot of dope, with a stock 351W, and lots of weight removal.

updated again.

Still running stock heads, cam, and intake 351W from an 85 F150.
Edelbrock 600cfm Carb.
Mallory Unilte Dizzy
MSD TFI coil.
Accel wires.
1 5/8 Longtubes
2 1/2" exhuast(about 12 inches) into dumped Edelbrock mufflers.
2" carb spacer
Electric water pump
4:10 track lock rear
MT 26x8.5x15" slicks.
More weight removal....car is now down to 2,960 lbs.

It ran a best of 13.85 @96.42 mph w/ a best 60' @ 1.88, and best 1/8 was 8.79 @ 78.33 mph.

My best guess on HP is around 175 RWHP.
Torque would probably be around 280 to the wheels.


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Well with as the car sits right now....

96 Tbird
02 PI Engine
01 Bullitt Intake
90mm LMAF with Cobra Box
24# Injectors
Cobra Radiator And Fan
Dynomax Cat Back Exhaust
Dynotech DriveShaft
FRPP 3.73 RearEnd
Stock Jmodded Trans
PI Triple Plate 3500 Stall Converter

With Crappy Tune
212RWHP
260 Ft lbs of Torque

I haven't taken her to the track but She's getting new cams and Heads and my built tranny and a Dyno Tune when I get home in Sept. I'm hoping for 300RWHP and then I'm taking her to the track and with Drag Radials I'm shooting for 13.2. I'm hoping anyway.

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Almost completely stock 1997 Thunderbird Sport

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15.6 @ 88.3 with 86 degree heat

I really thought the gears wouldve brought it down a little more.

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What's the track elevation and what were your 60 ft times?

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What's the track elevation and what were your 60 ft times?

elevation is 696 ft.

42% humidity

86 degrees

constant 2.3 60ft times, i couldnt launch more than 1400 rpm due to wheel spin. I have 245 tyres though.

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well there you go. Those were my 60 ft times for my stock Cougar with Jmod and she ran a 16.1 at about 1800. The wheel spin is what kills me in my Tbird. I had just got the car and didn't know how to drive it... trying to feather the throttle just caused it to shift into 2nd and then have to down shift back into first. I'm just giong to buy a pair of 16 inch mustang wheels and slap some MT ET streets on them.

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Ported 94 blower(13% OD and GTP rotors) and inlet, 75mm TB, 76mm MAF, 3" CAI, 9"K&N, 42# injectors, Comp cams stage 1 cam, resonator delete, 2 1/4" downtubes with high flow cats, ported intake manifold and return plenum.
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14.3 at 97.5 with Hoosier quick time DOTs and launching at 4k. Broke the spider gears during the run. Pulled a 1.97 60' I believe.

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1995 Thunderbird LX

2002 Mustang shortblock ($100 bargain buy )
Stage 2 PI heads
Stage 2 VT N/A Cams
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Various bolt ons
01 GT Tranny
3800 Stall Converter
3.73 TL rear end

247 whp / 241 wtq (always questioned this)

Best to date: 13.26@100.6

Can't wait to see what it does with 4.10's or 4.30's at a good track.

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1997 Limited Edition Thunderbird

PI heads and intake
75 mm Accufab throttle body and plenum
03 Mustang airbox, MAF, and intake tube
Marauder torque converter
3.73 Trac Loc
catless, true dual exhaust with x pipe and borla mufflers
J Modded stock 4R70W
SCT 93 octane dyno tune
BBK underdrive pullies

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239 rwhp
266 rwtq

teksid block with forged internals, MHS stage 2 heads and cams, 80 mm 03 Mustang MAF, Bullitt intake with Accufab oval throttle body, Kooks headers, 2.5 inch catless true dual exhaust, w/x pipe and Magnaflow Magnapacks, Dirty Dog 3000 stall marauder tq converter, BC automotive built 4R70w transmission ,MMX Dynotech Drive shaft, Trac loc differential with 3.73's, custom made fssb, and lecb, rear shock tower brace by Azzkickers, JL subframe connectors, Eibach 1.5" lowering springs, koni shocks, dyno tune by Tim Barth at Mr Norm's garage

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jefftbird93, have you done any weight reduction? If you answer no then you are closer to 275-280 horsepower with those times.

Im at 260 horsepower and ran a 13.5 with nearly the same mods except stock heads and cams...but your mph is really low compared to mine..weird.

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Nope, no reduction. It weighed 3810 stock, and I've since added the 18" wheels, SC sway bars, SC seats, and SC body kit (minimal)...the only thing that is removed at the track is the stereo system.

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wow, Those are really good times. Your making me want cams lol.

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I'm still trying to tune mine. But I'm really hoping for close to 12's on mine when I'm done. I probably won't get to test it out till next year. We'll see.

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Are you degreeing the cams when you put them in? You should be close to high 12's i would think. If not then put the car on a small diet and you will be good to go.

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wow, Those are really good times. Your making me want cams lol.
The 13.2 was in pretty good air so I can't complain. It was also at Mason Dixon which is 550 ft. elevation. I'd like to see what it'd do at Cecil or MIR which is much lower. Plus before spring I'm swapping out the rear...I'd be perfectly happy with a 12.9 in N/A form.

My tuner said he had a lot of problems trying to tune with these cams...said he'd never tuned a 4.6 with that aggressive of a cam.

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VT stage II's are really aggresive cams? Don't feel bad... my HItech Stage II's are kicking my ass.

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It wasn't really the tune that was hard...it was the idle that he had so much problem with.

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are you doing the tuning yourself funktasticlucky? ALso did you degree the cams when installed?

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ahah Yeah same here Jeff. And Paint me. I had a shop do it cuz I was 3k miles away from home on leave for a month so I didn't have tools. They were timed like Stock cams pretty much. But The guys that did the "tune" were complete idiots. I'm having so much issue trying to get this thing to idle and things it's really pissin me off. I finally nailed the lower end of the transfer function so it stopped throwing lean codes. Now I just gotta get the ISC transfer function so it starts up and idles like it's supposed to. It's lopy when cold but not really when it's warm. I'll data log it some more later today and hopefully get it close.

What it seems to be doing now is when it gets over 180 degrees ECT and like 80 ACT (like if you've been sitting at a Fast food restraunt eating) it will start up fine but then it wants to drop the ISC duty cycle to idle right off instead of droping it down slowly. So it jumps up to the 1400 or 1500 RPM then plummets and dies.

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hmm, sounds like work. THanks for the heads up though. i was wondering if i would need a tune. Guess it will be mandatory. Thanks for the info and good luck figuring it out. It will be worth it in the end.

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Mine's just the opposite. Mine's smooth when cold but after it's run for a little while it gets lopey and sounds good. The thing he had to do was set my idle higher than normal...around 900 if I remember right.

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Update: (In post 8.. my old Thunderbird.. who went through two different owners ran a 15.4.. with the same mods.)

1992 Lincoln M7 LSC

-3.27 Trak-Loc, stock AOD
-Removed Silencer, open element conical filter
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-2.5" X-pipe w/ hi-flo cats
-Flowmaster 40's w/2.25" from muffler back
-bumped timing
-removed slack in tranny throttle cable
-heavy ass 17" Cobra R's in front w/ 245/45's @ 60psi.
-16" BBS's w/ 245/50's @ 45psi (no traction issues)

15.5 @ 90 w/ the 1D1 shuffle.








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Was actually at a track here in Ontario on Saturday and ran my bird for the first time (and mine) lol

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Ran a 16.00@ 86.72 but hovered around 16.1x consistently.
RT of 0.4980 (terrible, i know... but hey, it was my first time out!! lol)
Temp: 22c or around 74f i guess?

I am sure i probably could have shaved another 2/10 of a second off if i took the 120 lbs worth of audio in my trunk out, but it was too much work.

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usuallly it's a tenth for every 100 lbs. What's the rest of the info. 60ft times make a HUGE difference in 1/4 mile time.

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Here are the full specs from the slip:

Reaction: .4980
60 ft: 2.4060
330 ft: 6.8128
ET @ 594 ft: 9.7430
1/8 ET: 10.3929
1/8 MPH: 69.24
1/4 ET: 16.0079
1/4 MPH: 86.72

and just for ****s and giggles, i raced a 2009 Cobalt SS Turbo, with the 260 hp motor.

Reaction: .5220
60 ft: 2.2468
330 ft: 6.2060
ET @ 594 ft: 8.8340
1/8 ET: 9.4158
1/8 MPH: 77.35
1/4 ET: 14.4190
1/4 MPH: 96.97

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nothing wrong with that. For ****s and giggles I raced a 2003 Lightning with a bigger blower and drag slicks. He was pullin mid 11's with problems LOL. I think he wasn't getting enoug fuel. 3/4 of the way down he let off and coasted to the finish.

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wooo, i like them lightnings

yeah, the balt completely dusted me in time... but i beat him to the end. We were bracket racing using dial in times, and mine was 16.15 - his was 14.2. I crossed ahead of him, but came in too fast at 16.00 so i "dialed out" i guess? and he crossed at 14.41.

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Ok new mods. No new times yet and no dyno numbers.Hopfully ill be at the track soon but maybe someone can take some guesses at what i"ll run. :-)

04 PI motor swap
SVO Supercharger 8-9 psi
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The car last year was running 9.000000000000's @ 78-80mph all day in the 1/8th with no supercharger or alcohol or track lok.

04 PI swap,SVO Supercharger 8-9 psi,Alcohol injection,39lbs Cobra injectors,XCal2-Walbro 255 LPH fuel pump,4.10 T-Lok,2003 4R70W built to withstand by RobertP,450hp JMOD,3800 circleD stall,trucool 4739 Trans Cooler,Dynotech 3.5 Driveshaft,70mm T/B,SCP Cold Air Intake,90mm LMAF,JBA headers,Magnaflow Midmount,No cats with 3inch piping,Vogtland 1.6inch drop,Cobra R's and xenon body kit.

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