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Dang!

Were you gonna try and tune this one yourself or do you plan to have someone else either do it for you or get you a base tune to start with?

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Looking good! Can't wait to follow your build. Oh, and Merry Christmas!

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Will that FBW throttle have the same 0.5 second lag all the street versions have?

I can't stand that lag...

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Will that FBW throttle have the same 0.5 second lag all the street versions have?

I can't stand that lag...
Hey neighbor! (we're in Lenoir City, but go to church in Harriman)

As for the lag, if it does, it must be a Ford thing. My '08 Silverado engine (in my Jeep) has no lag.
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Hey neighbor! (we're in Lenoir City, but go to church in Harriman)

As for the lag, if it does, it must be a Ford thing. My '08 Silverado engine (in my Jeep) has no lag.
I've driven late model stock Mustangs and Trucks, and they all have a lag or disconnected feeling in the throttle response.

All the Chevy guys I know are driving carburated cars.

Adding the PI intake and a dual exhaust added a wonderful 'perky' feel to my car; none of the new cars feel as good as our stock cars do.

500hp that takes 5 seconds to get online is useless to me, lol.

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I've driven late model stock Mustangs and Trucks, and they all have a lag or disconnected feeling in the throttle response.

All the Chevy guys I know are driving carburated cars.

Adding the PI intake and a dual exhaust added a wonderful 'perky' feel to my car; none of the new cars feel as good as our stock cars do.

500hp that takes 5 seconds to get online is useless to me, lol.
Interesting. My parent's old Buick Lucerne had a lag, but the LY5 in my Jeep doesn't (and it still uses a GM computer, though it's been reprogrammed). You can also change the pedal operation through the computer using one of the software packages out there. I've been using HP Tuner for the Jeep.
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Who did you get the subframe from?

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Dang!

Were you gonna try and tune this one yourself or do you plan to have someone else either do it for you or get you a base tune to start with?
I don't know yet. But it's another $100 for every computer code you add to PRP.

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Will that FBW throttle have the same 0.5 second lag all the street versions have?

I can't stand that lag...
I haven't heard anything about the lag, I'll have to ask around on the fox groups. Thanks!

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Who did you get the subframe from?
That is a AJE K member.

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The FBW lag that is experienced is in the stock tune. As soon as a performance tune is loaded, instantaneous response.

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The FBW lag that is experienced is in the stock tune. As soon as a performance tune is loaded, instantaneous response.
Will a good tune fix that on all FBW fords?

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So i have a question, does the new ford pcm for the coyote engines allow use of our stock ignition and guage cluster?

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If you buy the ford racing control pack, then yes you can use the factory gauges and ignition switch. If you simply remove a PCM and harness out of a coyote mustang or truck, then you will need all of the modules that go with it, including the ignition switch and key, and the instrument cluster. The point of the control pack is to make it easy to retrofit the coyote engine into any chassis.

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wow good information, now that poses another question. The control pack is for a MT, so it cannot control our auto.

So that either:
1. means a manual swap of some kind
2. a US Shift The Quick 4 Transmission Control System controller for our 4r70w
3. ????

I was kinda interested in keeping the auto and theory crafting a truck coyote + 6r80 swap. But if not able to use the factory gauges... doesn't seem viable to me.
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If the current PCMs can be recalibrated anything like the older ones PATS is what requires the cluster/ignition interfaces, and should be able to be shut off in the tune.

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I was able to drop the stock K member today and do a test fit and she fits. There have been a few guys wondering about fitment issues. There was none. The only thing that will not fit is the stock oil pan. I will need to buy a Canton low profile that is used in the Factory Five Cobras. If my measurements are correct it will fit perfectly. I was also able to weigh both K members and get a difference between the them, the mounts, arms and bolts. The difference is almost 30 pounds.






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Progress! Looking good Ox, I can't wait to see that 5.0 sitting pretty in there! I really wish AJE would make it so you could retain the factory suspension geometry/ control arms yet improve access

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Wouldn't the motor mounts be adding some weight to the stock K measurement?

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Wouldn't the motor mounts be adding some weight to the stock K measurement?
Those are TurboChuck's mounts, aren't they?

So how much do they weigh?

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Which part numbers did you order? For the control arms, motor mounts, and subframe, how long was the turn around? I'm considering this for my track car. Could you show a picture of the mounts installed, along with the rack, and lower control arms?

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what are your hood plans?
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He's got a VFN cowl hood already. The standard Coyotes are low though, more like a first gen Mark VIII motor, so a stock hood should fit if so desired

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how much higher is the boss intake going to take him? curious if a cervini mach 1 hood would fit over it
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Just a little update. The stock Coyote oil pan will not fit on the stock k member or the AJE k member. I thought a low profile coyote oil pan was going to work but it will not fit either. I have to make a custom oil pan and that is out of my skill level since I have zero welding experience. I called Moroso and Canton for a bid and Moroso won by $300. The pan's sump should hold over 7 quarts plus the oil filter 8 quarts for the system. The part that sucks, the oil pan will take 6 weeks to build and get plated.

Second with the exhaust, I was planing on cutting off the Kooks flange and having the coyote flange welded on in it's place. I find it too risky for screwing up a perfect pair of headers so I'm going to see if I can have the kooks flange welded on top of the coyote flange. Not sure how the clearance will work out until I have the engine in the car.

BTW if you buy a 2011-12 coyote engine you will need coarse threaded exhaust studs and nuts to bolt your headers. 2013 and newer are fine threads. Just found that out today.

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Which part numbers did you order? For the control arms, motor mounts, and subframe, how long was the turn around? I'm considering this for my track car. Could you show a picture of the mounts installed, along with the rack, and lower control arms?
TB80UM and TB9000. The turn around was like a month or so I can't remember.



Dont have the arms on yet, but here is a picture from Blown38

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how much higher is the boss intake going to take him? curious if a cervini mach 1 hood would fit over it
Not going with the Boss intake anymore. But just eye balling it and a tape measure I'm sure it would fit with a cowl hood.

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... Coyote FN10's taking over soon!
They already have

Good luck with the project. It's not a mustang kinda swap for sure. Still tons of fun !
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Will that oil pan you are having them make clear a stock K-member as well, or just the AJE? If it will clear a stock K, then that will make Coyote swaps easier for people in the future, and Moroso should assign it a part number.

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I don't think it will. I made all the measurements from the AJE k member. Maybe modifying the stock k member to work with a Moroso or Canton Coyote Mustang oil pan would work? The Thunderbird oil pan bolt holes line up perfectly except for the front four on the bottom of the timing cover. Someone with welding and metal work skills could make it work with a Mark VIII oil pan with the extra side sump. The Mark VIII oil pan holds 7 quarts I think?

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6qts for the MarkVIII pan. Does the shape of the pan in front fit the same? If the only issue is bolt hole misalignment, then that is an easy fix!

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Yea it fits, lots of room. Below is a Thunderbird oil pan. If you can make a Mark VIII oil pan work you the only problem is the pick up tube. You have to leave enough room for the pick up to dip down and back. It needs to be extended two inches and the filler part down a inch. The Thunderbird / Mark pick up will not work since it's a smaller diameter and will not bolt up correct on the oil pump.






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