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Oh I see, the geometry of those must be a little different stock vs. AJE

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This build is awesome. Oxman, any issues with the AJE installation? I think a lot of the early problems have since been resolved, but I was wondering if you had any thoughts on this piece since many have never run this setup. Would you have any issues with using this setup on a street car that is mostly driven around town while cruising on the weekends and does the occasional track day?

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If you are interested in going with auto shift and staying with that transmission, I have helped a lot of guys get it done using the newest Baumann controller. That thing rocks. Baumann used to be a bad word around me, but he has REALLY stepped up his game with his latest box.

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Great build and write up!!!! Loved reading all of it so far!!! Love the brakes...what rotors are you using up front, the stock cobra 13''?

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Josh,

Still looking for any inputs on the AJE k-member. I am looking to get one for my car since I will be pulling the engine very soon and I am considering doing this modification for more access. I think most of the negative feedback on these units was from the early days, but I wanted to get your impressions on the install, driving qualities, and if you think it would be safe for use on a street car that is mostly a weekend cruising machine that goes to the track a few times a year.

Please let me know.

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This build is awesome. Oxman, any issues with the AJE installation? I think a lot of the early problems have since been resolved, but I was wondering if you had any thoughts on this piece since many have never run this setup. Would you have any issues with using this setup on a street car that is mostly driven around town while cruising on the weekends and does the occasional track day?

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Still looking for any inputs on the AJE k-member. I am looking to get one for my car since I will be pulling the engine very soon and I am considering doing this modification for more access. I think most of the negative feedback on these units was from the early days, but I wanted to get your impressions on the install, driving qualities, and if you think it would be safe for use on a street car that is mostly a weekend cruising machine that goes to the track a few times a year.

Please let me know.

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Thanks!

For the installation, it was just dropping the stock k member and bolting the AJE in it's place. I used a transmission jack. The AJE only uses 4 bolts to mount to the frame. I would have liked them to build one that uses all 8 stock frame bolt holes, but it works for now. Along with using the stock lower arms and strut bar. My imputs? Don't be a dumb-dumb like me, make sure you install the strut arms on the correct way the first time. Mine were backwards. Along with the strut arms, if you are running a 17-18-19-20" wheel by 9" you'll need at least a 1 inch spacer to turn your wheels lock to lock without rubbing. I have only 120 miles on the car since the swap. It has all been street and highway driving. The lower arms are good, no bending. I bought them mostly for the space to work on headers, power steering rack and changing the oil. Second, the weight savings off the front end. I was able to replace a steering rack super fast and install headers with ease. And changing out a oil filter would be a easy with a stock 4.6. Any other questions let me know!

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Great build and write up!!!! Loved reading all of it so far!!! Love the brakes...what rotors are you using up front, the stock cobra 13''?
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Josh,

Thanks for the info, I went ahead and ordered a mild steel one from Anthony over at AJE. We'll see how it goes, but the thought of installing the headers from the bottom with the engine and K-member already in the car sounds easier than stabbing it from the top with the Kooks already installed or trying to lift it all from the bottom in one movement. Having done it, do you think that's the easiest way to get the headers in with this k-member? Also, how's the handling? Any noticeable improvements in chassis rigidity and handling?

As for the wheel spacers, thanks for the heads up on that. I'll make sure to check with the car still in the air and post back up the results for anybody else who researches this thread. The rims that I am running are a 18 x 9 with +36 mm of offset with the stock 5 x 4.25 bolt pattern, so we'll see what happens with those since they are different than the rims that you are running... which I think are a 19 x 9" with + 42 mm of offset.

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Having done it, do you think that's the easiest way to get the headers in with this k-member? Also, how's the handling? Any noticeable improvements in chassis rigidity and handling?
It would not clear the sides with the headers on the engine from up top. I'm sure a 2V compared to a coyote will be different. The header install was easy with the k-member. I do notice a more stiffer ride, but I went from bouncy KYB struts and stocks to Tokico Blues and Bilstein along with the k member.
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It would not clear the sides with the headers on the engine from up top. I'm sure a 2V compared to a coyote will be different. The header install was easy with the k-member. I do notice a more stiffer ride, but I went from bouncy KYB struts and stocks to Tokico Blues and Bilstein along with the k member.
Yeah, I remember JL saying that to get the SOHC in with the headers already on the engine required a load leveler getting to about 45 degrees and clearing the brake booster and frame by about 1/4" on each side. Not for the faint of heart, so I look forward to just stabbing the headers from the bottom, working through the k-member with the engine and trans already mated.

I also plan on upgrading my front to some Koni's that have been sitting in the closet for a couple of years now, so I think this will be something to look forward to as long as I don't have any rubbing issues.

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I think I asked this once before, but to seem like a real notable idiot, doing the AJE K, requires there lower control arms, and other stuff? I thought I saw this k for sale on jegs, but it had arms for sale separate. What is the price on these?

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I think I asked this once before, but to seem like a real notable idiot, doing the AJE K, requires there lower control arms, and other stuff? I thought I saw this k for sale on jegs, but it had arms for sale separate. What is the price on these?
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Ya those where the things I saw. I didn't know if they had a complete kit somewhere else. I may buy that stuff and slowly piece it all together.

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Nice. Congrats. I knew you'd slap one of those on there as soon as you could afford it. What size is that? Details please.

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Go to the 5.0/5.8L forum, plenty of info there. This thread is covering the 5.0 Coyote swap. Whole different animal.

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Along with the strut arms, if you are running a 17-18-19-20" wheel by 9" you'll need at least a 1 inch spacer to turn your wheels lock to lock without rubbing. I have only 120 miles on the car since the swap. It has all been street and highway driving.
Josh,

Getting ready to do my AJE K-member swap, so I don't have a certain answer yet, but here's what I came up with when trying to order the spacers for the 18x9 rim that a lot of guys run here, myself included, from The Custom Wheel Shop. I figured that I would post these pictures to hopefully shed some light on the issues for anybody else contemplating this K-member / Coyote swap.

The first attachment compares the Custom Wheel Shop 18x9 to the Track Pack Mustang rims, and it looks like the Track Packs are nearly 11 mm closer to the suspension components than the 18x9 style rim. The next compares a stock 16" MN12 rim to the Track Pack. The difference looks substantial at about 18 mm closer to the suspension for the Track Pack, and the last chart compares stock to CWS 18x9... only about 7 mm closer to the suspension for the CWS.

I will update this post with results on how everything works with my Custom Wheel Shop 18x9's and the AJE K-member.

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Nice. Congrats. I knew you'd slap one of those on there as soon as you could afford it. What size is that? Details please.

You need to get it down here for a proper tune.
Thanks Ron! It's a Eaton M122 from a 07-12 GT500. It's a 2.0L I believe. Stage 7 port and fresh rebuild from Stiegemeier. The manifold is from Department of Boost. It's the cheapest way to supercharge a coyote. Kinda like the Tork Tech with the 4.6 2V from Bill. I bought the M122 and manifold from a ARMY guy in Germany with a 2014 Mustang GT. Decided to sell the kit and go with a turbo. I got a nice package deal with free shipping. Not sure where I'll get a tuned.

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Josh,

Getting ready to do my AJE K-member swap, so I don't have a certain answer yet, but here's what I came up with when trying to order the spacers for the 18x9 rim that a lot of guys run here, myself included, from The Custom Wheel Shop. I figured that I would post these pictures to hopefully shed some light on the issues for anybody else contemplating this K-member / Coyote swap.

The first attachment compares the Custom Wheel Shop 18x9 to the Track Pack Mustang rims, and it looks like the Track Packs are nearly 11 mm closer to the suspension components than the 18x9 style rim. The next compares a stock 16" MN12 rim to the Track Pack. The difference looks substantial at about 18 mm closer to the suspension for the Track Pack, and the last chart compares stock to CWS 18x9... only about 7 mm closer to the suspension for the CWS.

I will update this post with results on how everything works with my Custom Wheel Shop 18x9's and the AJE K-member.

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Looks like you're crunching the numbers, but yea a 1" spacer for 9" wide rims for sure. I plan on having my front wheels narrowed 1" and put a 235/35/19 on the front so I don't have to use spacers. If you look at the car from an angle you can tell the wheels stick out, it bugs me and I don't like the stance.

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Not for a while, I'm currently finishing up a remodeling project in my basement, adding a 4th bedroom. My wife and I are also expecting our second this weekend so once I start FMLA and my basement is done ill have some garage time.
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Better to get this project done now. You'll find that as the kids grow they become more expensive and will eat (literally) into your hobby funds.

Boy or Girl?

Mods? Yea, I got mods ...
Air silencer delete, warp drive, dilithium crystals, flux capacitor, Slingshot Rubber band power adder, Moonshine & Gas, Leaf Blower Supercharger, Hamster Wheel & Hamster, Energizer Bunny generating 1.21 gigawatts, Mr. Fusion® Home Energy Reactor, hover conversion and a sextant celestial navigation system (The original GPS)
Best 1/4: 1,320 nanoseconds @ 670,616,629.2 miles per hour

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See a list of my real mods and pictures of my car HERE. The true performance of my car was made possible by the Carolinas Crew Chief, RobertP at Rob's Tire & Auto.
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Sweet build. BTW the M122 is a 2.1L blower. I had one on a custom setup and then upgraded to a 2.3L TVS charger and will be moving up to a 2.6L TVS when they are released.

Does that Stiegemeier stage 7 have the snake bite overdrive gears in it?

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Thanks guys, proud Papa! We had a boy named Austin. Yea a new baby and a toddler is no joke. I just finally finished my basement remodel, ill be in the garage soon.

No snake bite, just stage 7 and rebuild.

I'm replacing the 4R75W with a 6R80-Circle D triple disk, upgrading the the PCM to a auto-installing a PBH control kit to work, narrowing the front wheels and of course the department of boost supercharger kit.

There is a guy who lives a few miles south of me, he has a fox Mustang with a GT500 swap and 6R80. I've been getting advice and tips from him. Hoping to make this a high 10 second car before 2018. I've decided to get the car tuned with Lund Racing. A mass majority of fox coyote swap owners are recommending him.
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