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Man great looking mark! Been cruising CL myself to find one for a daily! New wheels go very well!

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Thanks guys! The wheels just make the car!

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Another Saleen wheel'd mark 8...LOL looks good...level it out a bit and it will look that much better!

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BLK saleens right before i dropped it a slight tad


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Yours looks good too Leart, I actually like the ride height, my doors don't hit curbs when I open them like the Cougar does LOL. The car also lowers on the highway anyway, so it works for me.

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Yeah i had to play with it to lower it just enough so it doesn't go too low on the highway...w the wide 18s in the rear i would hit on the freeway when hitting bumps...so it had to go back up a tad...

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Exactly why I'm going to leave her be! I want the air ride system to last for a good while.

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You can buy all my OEM air ride components for spares LOL, only got 50K on them...i want to spring and shock swap it...i love the air ride but i hate how it always goes up and down...it just needs to level off when weight is added...no need to always fine tune...it self destructs itself in my opinion especially knowing how long this stuff lasts...
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Mmmmm...all my goodies for the next step have started rolling in! Getting real excited! I just can't...STOP.

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PICs or didnt happen!

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PICs or didnt happen!
Hopefully tomorrow night, once I have everything together and go pick up the rest of the parts!

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Well, little update folks. Got sick of a vibration I was having, and my alignment constantly being off after 2 go-arounds by Ford. I put a set of StopTech stock size Cryo slotted rotors on the front with Akebono pads, and the bite is amazing! Believe it or not now that they are breaking in it stops close to the Cougar, which has the Cobra brakes front/rear. For the rear I put factory Motorcraft rotors and Wearever Gold pads. All the brakes are breaking in evenly and bite really well and it made a big difference in stopping power over the crap slotted/cross drilled chinese garbage the previous owner installed. Upon changing the rotors I was greeted with a failed passenger Wheel Hub assembly, so I had to overnight one from a Motorcraft warehouse. Got that put on and everything cinched up, only thing left is to put on my new Stainless braided brake hoses, and have the system flushed with my new ATE Dot 4 TYP 200 Fluid. Should stop on a dime now! Finally got a mod list together for it, and here we go:





- Air Silencer Delete
- 3.73 TL Differential
- Dynotech 4" or 3.5" Aluminum driveshaft
- Magnaflow 2.25" rear mufflers.
- SCT XCal 4 Tuner
- IMRC Delete
- Circle D 3800 Stall Triple disc Torque Converter
- JMOD (Heavy)
- Stock FN-10 Motorcraft Trans Cooler
- Mercon V Fluid change
- Higher flow fuel pump and injectors
- E85 Tune
- Bilstein Rear Shocks with Jay's Mounts
- ADDCO 1.25" Front and Rear Sway bars.


All stock take off parts will be stored to keep the car readily able to return to stock. You just never know. So the fun is just beginning and I just got promoted at work, so this should all start happening soon once I take a trip to RobertP

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It's going to be a dog without the IMRCs

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It's going to be a dog without the IMRCs
Not really, with the high stall, gears, a tune, and E85. It will be up above 3250 almost instantly, which is when the IMRC's open up.

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So what about when you're on the highway with the TC locked up? 3.73s aren't enough to compensate for that, 4.30s would be the absolute minimum I'd do.

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So what about when you're on the highway with the TC locked up? 3.73s aren't enough to compensate for that, 4.30s would be the absolute minimum I'd do.
I could do 4.10's I suppose. But for a DD might be a bit extreme. Explain what you mean with the TC? I'm not all auto-savvy, as you already know is why I ditched the 4R on the Cougar in favor of a fun-omatic instead.

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When the torque converter locks up it's the same as driving manual with the clutch engaged, no torque multiplication. So at those sub 3800rpms, where a daily driver lives, gradual speed changes without so much throttle that the engine downshifts and TC unlocks it will be noticeably sluggish.

And IMRC deletes are a bit extreme for a daily driver!!! lol 4.10s are definitely better, the torque loss will pretty much be made up for at that point. But really the gains of the delete are so minimal and so high in the top end (5500+) the Mark intake and cams are going to be holding it back there anyway.

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When the torque converter locks up it's the same as driving manual with the clutch engaged, no torque multiplication. So at those sub 3800rpms, where a daily driver lives, gradual speed changes without so much throttle that the engine downshifts and TC unlocks it will be noticeably sluggish.

And IMRC deletes are a bit extreme for a daily driver!!! lol 4.10s are definitely better, the torque loss will pretty much be made up for at that point. But really the gains of the delete are so minimal and so high in the top end (5500+) the Mark intake and cams are going to be holding it back there anyway.
Ah, interesting, can't that be adjusted for in the tune? So when I mash the gas it will downshift and unlock?

I'm doing the delete for two reasons: 1) Reduce likelihood of mechanical failure/buildup in the actuators, etc. 2) Prepare the motor for a possible Kenne Bell S/C kit lol. Then all my issues will be gone power wise.

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The tune won't give you the low rpm torque that you are lost when you changed the intake charge velocity with the IMRC delete.

When you press the throttle enough to downshift, yes, the rpms will jump up and you will be fine. The times when you will feel the torque loss is exactly where XR7-4.6 said, when your driving steady down the road with the TC locked.

The little trick that you could incorporate into your driving style would be to quickly give a light press on the brake pedal with your left foot when you need a little more torque but not enough to justify a downshift. When you press the brake, the torque converter automatically unlocks. So with your foot still on the gas, your tach will jump up a few hundred more rpm, getting you closer to your power band. It's like slipping the clutch slightly in a stick shift car.

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Black_cat...dont get as everyone is knocking on your plans, we just trying to help!

From what i get, sounds like you have further plans than the mod list you mentioned (blower, :-) which is what these cars need)

Knowing that, id recommend figuring out what your overall goal is prior to fine tuning trans, gearing etc...

Deleting your IMRC's just because you plan on a KB blower for a B headed car is like winning the lotto, and when you do get it, you'll be surprised of the limitations that blower has vs a complete termi motor swap :-).

OK i might have taken it too far with that example, but im just trying to say do it right the first time!

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If you are going to do a kenne bell swap, why delete the IMRC's now? You have to replace the intake with a kenne bell swap, so you aren't saving any labor, and there is no way a tune for NA will be good enough to run the kenne bell, so you will have to get it re-tuned when you do the swap, so you aren't saving anything there either. Basically deleting them will be a bunch of extra work to make your car slower.

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I am okay guys, haha. I am soaking all the info in! Not taking this stuff negatively, it's good advice. I really don't want the Mark to be a race-car. Just an aggressive DD that's built for reliability and some sportability. It looks like I should maintain IMRC's until I choose to boost or not. The Termi swap is out of the question, it would change the car beyond what I am comfortable with for a CE. As I said, primary goal is to be able to 100% return to stock if I choose to, minus the Jmod of course, but that was a ford approved modification anyway.

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i haven't been in an aggressive J modded car, but i hear for DD it can get pretty snappy...so careful what you choose.

Also, are you going E85 for the cost of gas or performance?...hows E85 around your area?...i know around here id love to have E85 for my boosted cars, but availability isn't everywhere so i have to plan for flex fuel.

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i haven't been in an aggressive J modded car, but i hear for DD it can get pretty snappy...so careful what you choose.

Also, are you going E85 for the cost of gas or performance?...hows E85 around your area?...i know around here id love to have E85 for my boosted cars, but availability isn't everywhere so i have to plan for flex fuel.
Both performance and cost, plus it makes the engine run cleaner. E85 is available in my area, but I'll have an E85 and 93 tune on my handheld. The car is going to be dynotuned by a professional whom I'm friends with.

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Having two tunes is great, but what about that long trip you and your lady friend plan on taking and you find yourself with gas stations that dont have E85? That takes away from the DD you wanted.

Yea you can sit there and calculate this and that, but i would hate to do that in a daily...a flex fuel car will need to measure what Ethanol content its sucking down and compensate tune based on that...havent read up on it how MN12s and FN10 guys do it...you also have to make sure you got enough injector and pump for E85, especially if you want to boost later on. I know that in my Vortech bird to go full E85, id need about twice the injector, but i rather have E85 than meth injection

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I had the 450+ settings with the line pressures maxed in the tune. It was... interesting. It felt neither like an auto or a manual, I have yet to be able to make a shift as hairy as that 4R made all the time. It was snappy, but being in other J-Modded cars using the more common mild to middle settings I wouldn't say mine shifted that much harder, but what it did was shift way faster in addition to it, and not in a way I'd call refined, it almost felt like things were going to break just puttering around town, and it made tuning shift points frustrating. Gave the car character though

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I had the 450+ settings with the line pressures maxed in the tune. It was... interesting. It felt neither like an auto or a manual, I have yet to be able to make a shift as hairy as that 4R made all the time. It was snappy, but being in other J-Modded cars using the more common mild to middle settings I wouldn't say mine shifted that much harder, but what it did was shift way faster in addition to it, and not in a way I'd call refined, it almost felt like things were going to break just puttering around town, and it made tuning shift points frustrating. Gave the car character though
Haha...and thats another topic, everyone has their own criteria of what is a good shift...im over here sometimes thinking my bone stock Mark8 shifts too hard!

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Having two tunes is great, but what about that long trip you and your lady friend plan on taking and you find yourself with gas stations that dont have E85? That takes away from the DD you wanted.

Yea you can sit there and calculate this and that, but i would hate to do that in a daily...a flex fuel car will need to measure what Ethanol content its sucking down and compensate tune based on that...havent read up on it how MN12s and FN10 guys do it...you also have to make sure you got enough injector and pump for E85, especially if you want to boost later on. I know that in my Vortech bird to go full E85, id need about twice the injector, but i rather have E85 than meth injection
Leart, the cool think about that situation, is with an xcal4, you can just plug it into the obd2 port and swap the tune file at the pump to 93 octane or vis versa.

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Oh i know, thats how my Xcal and my EFI live works as well...but who got time for that when you are trying to keep the AC running cause your girl is hot?

What if you have only 3/8th tank of E85...you are in the middle of the desert at the last gas station for the next 325 miles and you want to top off the tank and this particular gas station only has 89 available....will you have a tune specifically to calibrate 3/8 E85-5/8 89 mixture in your tank?

Most stations also have various levels of E85...in the GTR we did a flex fuel E85 swap on the computer pics up and displays the E85 content in the tank... all the local stations are only like E70-E75 or some crap...its terrible how some gas stations get away with it.

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