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Front Bushing Picture Thread with part numbers

These are the strut rod to frame and strut rod to control arm bushings.
Cost was roughly:
$12.50
$12.50
$12.50
$6.50

This shows correct washer direction when using the Ford bushings.






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Comparison of B (front) on left side of pic and A (rear) on right side of pic.











When compressed, they squeeze from 2 3/16" down to 2" even.

Don't let the diameters fool you. It's just a little extra rubber lip that makes the A bushing seem larger. In reality they seem to be identical in shape and size.

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Whats the name of that bushings to look for it? Where did you get it ? Do you think i can find it in rockauto??
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Ferrule length would be great to be added to this!!

My LSC had an old style bushings which are shorter than those shown. I just got the new bushings and not the new ferrules. I fabricated some ferrules, but didn't know how much of a preload was needed (i.e. the ferrule length).

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Whats the name of that bushings to look for it? Where did you get it ? Do you think i can find it in rockauto??
These are the bushings for the Strut Rod.
Only Ford makes them like this.
The 2 smaller ones, 140A and 140b, are not solid rubber. They are made of 2 metal pieces bonded together by rubber. When you tighten them they will squeeze together 3/16" against the arm, then the center sleeves will touch and then you torque it to 80-100lbs. I compressed them in a vise and they measured 2" exactly.
I'll post pics of my old ones once I swap them out. Mine have separated into the individual pieces.



Part 271A also has a metal piece bonded to it.

Part 225AA is the only all rubber piece.

Most aftermarket bushings (Moog in below pic) are made from solid thermoplastic and slip over an included sleeve. They have a reputation for cracking after a few months. At least on the big end. So everyone is warned to stay away from those.



TRW makes rubber bushings, but no one had them in stock around me so I don't know how close they are to the Ford design.

I've seen another brand made of rubber, but they were very simple in construction compared to the Ford design. That raised a red flag to me right away.

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The Moog and Masterpro brands from Orielly, the Rare Parts brand from Advanced Auto and the Duralast bushings from Autozone are all blue plastic and look just like this when new.






All junk to be avoided.


Here are the Drive Works rubber bushings. Assuming these pictures are correct, they appear to be cut from a solid piece of rubber, unlike the Ford 2 metal pieces bonded togther in rubber. This Drive Works design may be okay, but your still stuck using those weak split sleeves that tend to distort.



Their bushings for the other end of the strut rod are blue plastic like above.


Here are the TRW bushings. The rear ones use the same picture as the Drive Works above. Does that mean they are the same part? IDK. The fronts look close to Fords, but without the metal ring molded to the one bushing, but they still use those weak split sleeves. These pics may not even be correct.






So to summarize, the plastic bushings do this:



and the weak split sleeves do this:



That's why I went with original Ford bushings. Plus they weren't too much more in cost compared to these aftermarket ones.

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On my LSC the ferrules were crimped on each side of the bushings. It looks like the bushings and metal retainers (large washer wannabe's) were installed, then the ferrule ends were crimped to retain bushing and the washers.

The only way to get the thing apart was to "uncrimp" (i.e. pretty much destroy) the very thin part of the ferrule...

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Here is the bushing that failed on my car and was making a clunking sound. You can clearly see the 2 rubber coated metal pieces.







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There's one tiny difference between the 140A and the 140B bushings. The one labeled FRONT (140B) has a smaller inner diameter. It needs a dab of soap and can then be hammered on the rod.

The one labeled REAR (140A) is a looser fit and just slides on and off.
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Original poster:These are the strut rod to frame and strut rod to control arm bushings. Cost was roughly: $12.50 $12.50 $12.50 $6.50
Thas prices are for each side I'm into rebuilt my suspension and I call the Ford parts dealer and they give me this prices:
225AA-$12.82
B271A-$12.82
A140A-$24.78
A140B-$24.78
Make a big total of 74.96 per side can you tell me where do you order it because yours are $44

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I don't know why they quoted you those prices on the smaller 140A & B bushings because it seems excessive.
I got mine from Champion Ford Gulf Freeway. It took them a day to get in all the bushings.
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Yes I know I call Joe myers and they give that price but I'm goin call champions and a let you know buddy thanks .

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Did you know the torque of both ends to installed??

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Fenix - 80 to 100 foot pounds for both ends of the shaft.

Unrelated: If you use your old ferrules, and the new bushings STILL clunk and thunk, take 1/16" to 1/8" off of the ferrules (I used a 4" angle grinder with a cutoff wheel), and put it back together.

Seems like some of the ferrules are a tad longer than the new bushings are.

I'd try it first, though - you really don't want it TOO short.

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Fenix - 80 to 100 foot pounds for both ends of the shaft.

Unrelated: If you use your old ferrules, and the new bushings STILL clunk and thunk, take 1/16" to 1/8" off of the ferrules (I used a 4" angle grinder with a cutoff wheel), and put it back together.

Seems like some of the ferrules are a tad longer than the new bushings are.

I'd try it first, though - you really don't want it TOO short.

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I just bought the bushings for my rod struts but when I took them apart I see they were rebuilt it before and it has ramco Bushings and the thing is i check is missing some washers and the ferrules are different I hope I can Exchange this bushings for the complete kit tomorrow.

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These are the strut rod to frame and strut rod to control arm bushings.
Cost was roughly:
$12.50
$12.50
$12.50
$6.50
I just called Champion Ford.
Total for one side (4 bushings) is now $49.32 x 2 = $98.64 + tax = $107.02 for both sides. The E9SZ3B271A would have to come out of Memphis (3 day wait, prepay required).

I found original Ford bushings online (2 frame inner, 2 frame outer, 4 arm) for $75.66 shipped.

The problem with most of these online dealers is that they use the same 3rd party catalog which has no part numbers, so the purchaser must go the extra step of writing the vendor to confirm the parts are correct prior to placing an order.

edit: Ok, the parts lookup is now working on the website(s), so that helps.
I'm planning to order mine online and will let you know how it goes...

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so whats the part numbers just for the front bushings and sleeve from ford. mine are all the way shot just found out today.

my car is 94 4.6...
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so whats the part numbers just for the front bushings and sleeve from ford. mine are all the way shot just found out today.

my car is 94 4.6...
If you got lucky you can find the set for strut-frame around $170 per side if you buy just the bushings they are not xpensive the sleeves are out of production i guess somebody from here make it look for DLF
http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=77865

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If you got lucky you can find the set for strut-frame around $170 per side if you buy just the bushings they are not xpensive the sleeves are out of production i guess somebody from here make it look for DLF
http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=77865
From fordparts.com

so why 170 per side. all my quanity numbers are at 1 in cart .





Item Description Fulfillment Price Per Item Quantity Subtotal
BUSH - FRONT SUSPENSION ARM
Part #: F7SZ3A225AA
Pack Qty: 2 Shippable $14.35
Update
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$14.35

BUSH
Part #: E9SZ3B271A
Pack Qty: 1 Shippable $14.35
Update
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$14.35

BUSH
Part #: E9SZ3A140A
Pack Qty: 2 Shippable $24.77
Update
Remove
$24.77

BUSH
Part #: E9SZ3A140B
Pack Qty: 2 Shippable $25.00
Update
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$25.00

Parts Subtotal: $78.47
Total: $78.47
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so why 170 per side. all my quanity numbers are at 1 in cart .
Because the metal sleeves are hard to find. They are not cheap.
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so why 170 per side. all my quanity numbers are at 1 in cart .





Item Description Fulfillment Price Per Item Quantity Subtotal
BUSH - FRONT SUSPENSION ARM
Part #: F7SZ3A225AA
Pack Qty: 2 Shippable $14.35
Update
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$14.35

BUSH
Part #: E9SZ3B271A
Pack Qty: 1 Shippable $14.35
Update
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$14.35

BUSH
Part #: E9SZ3A140A
Pack Qty: 2 Shippable $24.77
Update
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$24.77

BUSH
Part #: E9SZ3A140B
Pack Qty: 2 Shippable $25.00
Update
Remove
$25.00

Parts Subtotal: $78.47
Total: $78.47
Like i say the "SET" (bushings,washers,and sleeves) if you are lucky to find it are around $170 per side i found two sets here in houston but they are too xpensive i just buy the bushings and somebody from here was parting out a rust free tbird and he get me the original factory sleeves and washers cuz my tbird has the cheap autozone set.

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