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I think I got the bad ones too. Moog part # k8562 http://s129.photobucket.com/user/Kev...44ccf.jpg.html
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I think I got the bad ones too. Moog part # k8562 http://s129.photobucket.com/user/Kev...44ccf.jpg.html
Yep. Don't bother installing those.

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I changed mine a couple of years ago and yes, I used the white ones.

Why in the world would Moog make one that does not adjust? That makes absolutely no sense.

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yeah, isnt it great... i thought their was something fishy when i looked over my new ones before install. wish my OE's hadn't been supper loose and clunky or i would have just left em.

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I just pulled the lowers off for the toe comps and bushings and of course it turns out I had the weak skool uppers pressed in about a year ago. I wonder if RA would honor a return since I'm sure they are aware of the issue and they can check my account? I do order from them a bunch so I guess it's worth a try. You got to love the 40mm wrench hookup for the inner rear nuts from hell!

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You got to love the 40mm wrench hookup for the inner rear nuts from hell!

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I'm ordering one of these; I always end up using a large crescent wrench, lol.

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Hello Scott,

We have called Moog on this issue previously and they have verified that the "bad" design is their intended design specification. We contacted them about this exact issue and they have stated that the parts that were received fit their design specifications for those parts.

If you do order those parts you will receive the same parts that the others have received and rejected.

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Ok, so I guess things will get interesting if/when Bill runs out of the correct bushings.

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Sounds to me like we need to speak to someone at Moog directly. Presumably a reputable company like Moog would want to know if their design is flawed.

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Sounds to me like we need to speak to someone at Moog directly. Presumably a reputable company like Moog would want to know if their design is flawed.
Sadly, it seems like Moog is slowly and ever-more-increasingly becoming less and less of a "reputable company". As much as I hate to say it.

I think if RockAuto did indeed call/talk to them about it, and THEY didn't get anywhere with them, they must not care that much. I'm sure RockAuto has to be one of their largest carriers of parts (On the internet, at least. Maybe not compared to physical stores like Advance Auto), and for them to basically be "blown off" like that, is pretty astounding to me.
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Ok, so I guess things will get interesting if/when Bill runs out of the correct bushings.

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Did RA end up sending you a refund?

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Sadly, it seems like Moog is slowly and ever-more-increasingly becoming less and less of a "reputable company". As much as I hate to say it.
I'd have to agree with that. Over the last few years we've seen identical packaging/labeling contain different [styles of] parts, and said parts have been failing at "cheap eBay parts" intervals. I myself had Moog front sway bar endlinks go bad in under a year...

I wonder if the ACDelco branded bushings have any chance at being correct...

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I had a set recently that was the correct style. I want to say it was the ACDelco's, but can't remember 100%. I'm about 98% sure that's what they were. Lol.
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Ok, so I guess things will get interesting if/when Bill runs out of the correct bushings.

-Scott
you should ask them how it is possible that it IS the intended design, when "Christy" had already told me she called Moog and they verified that it was a bad batch.
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I don't have time for more of their nonsense so I just ordered what I needed from SCP and called it a day.

I am very disappointed with both RA as well as Moog for total suck.

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ordered another set of these from my oreilly store, both the same junk >.>

guess ill order another two and see what they look like... if i keep sending them back warranty maybe someone will notice... i even wrote out why there crap on the warranty tags

i also sent an email to fed mogul. doubt ill get anything helpful from them, but we'll see, and ill post the response here.

definitely want these things off my car though, their hard as rocks and i have little to no suspension travel from them. i mean even with the tokicos and vogtlands i should have something. speed-bumps 1" high feel like boulders...

and im pretty sure its them making this weird creaking noise... ive got tons of grease in my polys. those energy suspensions came with like 15 little packets of the stuff and i used all of it

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I got the Raybestos ones from Rock Auto a couple months ago and they are the good ones. I have yet to install them though.

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I got the raybestos ones too they look like this. http://s129.photobucket.com/user/Kev...72a1f.jpg.html I just hope they work.
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I got the raybestos ones too they look like this. I just hope they work.
Looks good to me.

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Yep, those are the correct design.

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Are those 2 pics of the same bushings? The second pic looks just like the wrong ones. The first pic looks like it has the plastic rings on it.

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Are those 2 pics of the same bushings? The second pic looks just like the wrong ones. The first pic looks like it has the plastic rings on it.
Those are two different bushings. The first picture is the correct design. The second picture is the flawed design.

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The other pic is the moog`s I have returned the one in the plastic is the new Raybestos I just received
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never did get a reply back from federal mogul on those things... guess ill have to order myself some of those raybestos as well.

the speedbump out of my work is getting sooooo irritating since my rear-end has little to no travel with those moogs in their...

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The other pic is the moog`s I have returned the one in the plastic is the new Raybestos I just received
take them out of the plastic bags and make sure they rotate relatively easy. You should be able to hold the center section with your fingers and rotate the outer part.
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Y'know, if they use the right material in the new design, they'd be better - as in "teflon sleeves instead of rubber" or whatever they're using.

Or something else that would allow the two metal bushings to rotate properly.

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Just received my Raybestos bushings from Amazon and they are indeed the correct design. $41 a piece and 2-day shipping included with my Amazon Prime Membership. Better stock up on these in case every suspension/chassis engineer out there decides to have a brain-fart when trying to re-design these to make them crappier for the next 20 years lol
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An issue has recently come to light that I felt warranted documenting and spreading the word about. It seems that in addition to the original design of the rear upper control arm to subframe bushings there is also a flawed design that's been infiltrating the market over the past few years. Both designs have shown up in the same packaging, under the same part numbers, through multiple brands. The only way to be certain you're receiving the correct part is to open the box(es) prior to payment and verifying visually.

This is the bushing you DON'T want to install:



Those consist of a metal core with a off-center, elliptical, hole inside a metal sleeve which is rubber bonded to an outer shell. Turning the inner core via the bolt allows for camber adjustment, however with the sleeve bonded to the outer shell, the control arm can't move without winding up the bushing. Whoever designed/manufactured the bushing either didn't grasp or simply disregarded the original, correct design; something that seems to happen all to often when it comes to aftermarket parts. Installing these bushings results in a relatively harsh ride and very limited rear suspension travel.



These are the bushings you DO want to install (original design):



These allow camber adjustment and full range of motion without windup, just as they should.


Be wary of poorly designed/manufactured parts out there, folks!
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well thought i would add to this,ordered a set from rockauto moog and it was the newer design,sending them back.The last set i bought a couple of years ago were the correct ones for my 5 speed it was raybestos,but i noticed rockauto didnt list them anymore.
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Well, I couldn't get SuperCoupePerfomance to take paypal, so I orderded off of Rock Auto. They don't carry the Raybestos Upper arm to frame bushing anymore, so I ordered the AC Delco instead. I'll check it once it arrives and let y'all know if it is correct.
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