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OK. Today is the day I plan to finish up and install them. Wish me luck.
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I'm semi-interested..

Also..It would be nice to hear if the OP ever actually finished both front right and left coilovers, and what his results were??

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Maybe the shocks completely failed, and this was a big waste of time/money..

We may never know..






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Next challenge. The top mount doesn't have a large enough hole to allow the top of the shock to go through. While trying to enlarge it the metal tube came out. Even 9/16" won't fit and it appears that if I go larger that I will have no material left. My thought is to get a piece of steel tubing that will fit over the top shock bolt and then cut it to length and press it into the top mount.

I know there is talk of a fancier solution with a ball bearing like mechanism but that seems pricey and uncertain.

Does my solution sound like it would be acceptable?

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If the tube came out from the shock mount I think it's toast, it's supposed to be bonded to the rubber unless I'm mistaken.

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If the tube came out from the shock mount I think it's toast, it's supposed to be bonded to the rubber unless I'm mistaken.

It doesn't really matter. The amount of bolt on the new shock isn't enough to pass through the stock mount no matter how I modify it.

Another solution is going to have to be found.

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I'd pull the rubber off, or thin it down, and see if you can get a big washer on the bottom and top so it can't pull thru.

I didn't want to try that, but wtf; you're there already, with a bad mount to use.

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I'd pull the rubber off, or thin it down, and see if you can get a big washer on the bottom and top so it can't pull thru.

I didn't want to try that, but wtf; you're there already, with a bad mount to use.
Well, I did go and get the stuff that was needed. I would need to remove about 3/4" of an inch of rubber at least to make it work. My thought was that I would make a metal tube spacer out of 5/8" tube (that's the closest I can get to the shock bolt diameter) and then weld a large washer on the bottom end, pass it through and then use a washer on the top end under the shock nut.

Do you think this idea would weaken it too much?

Unfortunately the mount started out as a new mount. Finding an old donor wasn't something that I could get easily. Oh well, that's the least of my lost cost.

FWIW, here is the Mitsubishi 3000GT mount:

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I started thinning out the rubber. There is definitely metal underneath the bottom layer of rubber and definitely metal underneath the top layer.

I think that a washer welded to the tube from the bottom layer will reinforce it enough.

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I'd make sure there's a washer on top and bottom that won't clear thru the metal mount base, leave a bit of rubber or glue it together with rtv, and go with it.

Remember, you need some movement for the bushing compliance.

I'd say the tubing welded to a washer on the bottom is a great Idea; If it works, I'll buy two, lol.

A washer on top is good because of the unforseen, unplanned, "General Lee" moment.

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I'd make sure there's a washer on top and bottom that won't clear thru the metal mount base, leave a bit of rubber or glue it together with rtv, and go with it.

Remember, you need some movement for the bushing compliance.

I'd say the tubing welded to a washer on the bottom is a great Idea; If it works, I'll buy two, lol.

A washer on top is good because of the unforseen, unplanned, "General Lee" moment.
On the bottom that washer is a 3/4" washer for the tubing to fit through it and it's about 1.5" in diameter. The top wash is 5/8" and ends up being probably 1.25" diameter but it won't be welded.

I hope this works.

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I'm semi-interested..

Also..It would be nice to hear if the OP ever actually finished both front right and left coilovers, and what his results were??

or

Maybe the shocks completely failed, and this was a big waste of time/money..

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Would have been nice if he hosted the images on a real hosting site too, I wish I saved them.

My biggest fear with this is that they'll be soft. 3000GTs are strut cars, even if there's as much weight on the nose of them as MN12s, the geometry is completely different, placing the strut way outward directly on the spindle, vs the MN12 shock having the lever effect inward on the LCA.

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Would have been nice if he hosted the images on a real hosting site too, I wish I saved them.

My biggest fear with this is that they'll be soft. 3000GTs are strut cars, even if there's as much weight on the nose of them as MN12s, the geometry is completely different, placing the strut way outward directly on the spindle, vs the MN12 shock having the lever effect inward on the LCA.
Well, we'll find out eventually but the downside to this experiment is that I live in Ohio so the weather will limit my ability to test this out soon. I can say that the design of the new shock is significantly stronger than the donor shock. On the donor shock I could compress it by hand pretty easily. On the new shock I almost can't compress it by hand at all.

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OK, here we go.

Here is the mount with the required washers and spacer welded to a washer:




Here is the shock with the mount test fitted:



I think this will work just fine. The factory setup had a huge dependency on the way the mount was set up because of the skinny shaft that passed through the mount. This new setup has a thicker bolt but also the alternative to a skinny plunger is replaced by a much more substantial part.

I'll try to get them installed as soon as I can. It may be the weekend but I'll try this week.

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OK, here we go.

Here is the mount with the required washers and spacer welded to a washer:




Here is the shock with the mount test fitted:



I think this will work just fine. The factory setup had a huge dependency on the way the mount was set up because of the skinny shaft that passed through the mount. This new setup has a thicker bolt but also the alternative to a skinny plunger is replaced by a much more substantial part.

I'll try to get them installed as soon as I can. It may be the weekend but I'll try this week.
I've never taken a very hard look at the mount, so I wasn't doubting you could make it work. Looks like a nice setup, if they're stiff I'll be doing this in the spring

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I've never taken a very hard look at the mount, so I wasn't doubting you could make it work. Looks like a nice setup, if they're stiff I'll be doing this in the spring
Well, they aren't installed yet. All of you have a lot of experience so I would be foolish to discount it. Since the entire top of the mount is a metal plate coated in rubber I'm less worried about it failing catastrophically. I feel like that as long as I use a large enough washer for the sleeve that I should be safe.

I'll get them installed and we'll go from there.

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What diameter is the hole in the metal part of the mount, after the tube comes out?

I like your setup.

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What diameter is the hole in the metal part of the mount, after the tube comes out?

I like your setup.
Well, my guess would be about 9/16". I used a 5/8" steel tube and after I welded on the washer I used a hammer to tap it into the hole. It was a snug fit to be sure.

Thanks. I'm really improvising on this one.

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OK, so the first one is installed. We'll just jump to pictures.




The nut on top seats almost evenly. And look, they stayed together with the pressure of the spring pushing on them. I forgot how friggin' huge the springs are for these cars. I was going to cut a coil off the spring but I decided that would be one more change than was necessary to do this.

Here it is installed:



Unfortunately you see that I have a problem to fix. The pisser is that I just put that UCA on there about a year ago and I can assure you that I didn't drive the car. Ah well, the heavy duty ones with greasable fittings should solve that problem. More money.

Here it is from the top:



I won't be able to put it completely back together until I get the UCAs. Should be in a couple of days from Amazon.

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Awesome. Can't wait to see how it goes! I assume the missing upper bj grease
Boot is the issue? Can't you just throw it together and tell us how it rides? the suspense is killing me!

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Awesome. Can't wait to see how it goes! I assume the missing upper bj grease
Boot is the issue? Can't you just throw it together and tell us how it rides? the suspense is killing me!
Well, I don't want to put it all back together just to take it all back apart again. I'm lazy like that. I'll have the new UCAs tomorrow so Thursday evening should be the time to do the work. I imagine I'll be able to at least take it around the block by the weekend (I hope).

Right now the physical installation is working. They seem better than stock for sure but that's not a full test.

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My grease boots were shot on my new upper control arms when I installed them. I'm a little bit of a bailing wire and duct tape type and want to try some "magic tape" to seal the cracked boots.

I hope you are happy with the performance and don't have to take it apart again.

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My grease boots were shot on my new upper control arms when I installed them. I'm a little bit of a bailing wire and duct tape type and want to try some "magic tape" to seal the cracked boots.

I hope you are happy with the performance and don't have to take it apart again.
Well, it's a lot like the car build shows. You get used to taking them apart and putting them together over and over. I really wish I had more room to work. I have a three car plus garage but this car just gets one bay.

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Well, they are installed on both sides. I didn't take any additional pictures because the passenger side is no different than the driver's side for assembly and installation.

My frame of reference is OEM Motorcraft front shocks. I'm a big guy as a frame of reference and with the Motorcraft shocks I was able to bounce the front end by pushing it down about 4-5 inches. With the new shocks I am generally able to push the car down about 1-2 inches but it doesn't seem to rebound beyond the original height.

I also measured the height between my existing tires and the bottom of the fender with the original shocks and then with the new shocks. The new shocks appear to increase ride height by about 1/2". They may just need some time to settle however.

I'll report back once I get it out on the road.

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I took the car out of the garage to the street tonight. I just wanted to see how it would react by backing it into the street since it should bounce a bit as it goes over the apron to the street.

It was basically solid with practically no bounce at all. I still can't really bounce the front end by hand much at all.

My concern at the moment is that I need to cut the front springs because the front definitely sits too high now. Since I have already replaced all of the front suspension components and steering rack and it is in dire need of an alignment, I think I'll go ahead and cut the springs before I get it aligned since that could affect the final alignment.

Hang in there. I'm waiting on one more UCA that's actually the professional grade version (I have one, I just need to play the game with Amazon to get the other one) and once I have it I'll jump into getting the rest of this done.

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