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Since everyone insisted on the 24mm (15/16") Energy Suspension swaybar bushings, I went ahead and ordered them.

Energy Suspension 9.5160R is what I ordered. I don't know how I'll make that sandwich plate thing that Matt posted, I think some washers would do the trick in between the bushing and the frame as well as on top, don't you think? Also is there any drilling or something involved to get the other bolt in where the notch for the stock bracket would be?

or I could do what S4Gunn did and just use the stock brackets if they work just fine.
1) Stock brackets is easiest.
2) A washer + nut on top would also work but the advantage of a bracket with a nut welded to it is that you won't need a wrench on the top nut when you are undoing the bolt (the bracket will hit the subframe lip and won't let you spin it around forever). Whether or not you need a bolt all depends on how big a bolt you are using.
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I barely remember it as a show, but the theme was recognizable, even as a kid.


I remember seeing "The Prisoner" in '68 on cable, few people saw that until way later.

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I remember it from The Blues Brothers. I played Spy Hunter all the time as a kid at a now long demolished ice cream shop in downtown Roselle, but the sound was either low or disabled on the machine, so I never connected that theme to it.
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I can't relate to any of that since I'm just a 19 year old kid.

Also thanks, Gunn, Ralph, CDsDontBurn and XR7, and all of you guys for helping me out here.
I'll probably use the stock brackets, clean up the swaybar really good, slap some sili-grease on there and the bushing liberally and call it done on the swaybar. It's easy as heck to get to, and I'm not concerned about some swaybar squeaks. I've got bigger clunks in the front suspension to worry about after I'm done with the rear. I'll probably need strut rod bushings....I think front swaybar endlinks were done two years ago, and so were the front UCAs, now the time has come for the front LCAs and probably every bushing in the front....oh well, we'll find out this weekend.
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It might be; I remember watching reruns on TV when I was a wee sprog. (Or maybe first runs, dunno.)

Some of the other shows I've tried to catch, however, were from finding out about them as I got older.

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I barely remember it as a show, but the theme was recognizable, even as a kid.


I remember seeing "The Prisoner" in '68 on cable, few people saw that until way later.
"The Prisoner" and its predecessor, "Secret Agent Man".

I don't know if you realize it, but we're getting OLD *grins*

I even remember the pre-Phelps "Mission:Impossible".

(Talk about a combo - the show came from the opening, which came from the theme song, which came from ... a couple of guys fiddling around with a bass and a piano!)

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I can't relate to any of that since I'm just a 19 year old kid.


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"The Prisoner" and its predecessor, "Secret Agent Man".

I don't know if you realize it, but we're getting OLD *grins*

I even remember the pre-Phelps "Mission:Impossible".

(Talk about a combo - the show came from the opening, which came from the theme song, which came from ... a couple of guys fiddling around with a bass and a piano!)

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Hey I watched the old Loony Toons when I was a kid, and I saw all of the Peter Sellers Pink Panther movies(my Mom was a huge fan of them) before I was 19. We're not all so sheltered from the past!

I didn't like any era of Star Trek, I was a Star Wars(original trilogy) kid!

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^ Besides Looney Toons and Pink Panther I have no idea what any of that is. Well, Trek I know about but never actually watched.

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Not even the Apollo launches? I never saw them but I sure know what they were

Just curious, which loony tunes and pink panthers are you familiar with? The originals or the more modern reboots(Pink Panther with Steve Martin)? The originals were far better and less sanitized. Don't bog yourselves down with generational identity, anything new in entertainment is often rehashed from something truly groundbreaking in the past.


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The original pink panther. I know of launches, just forgot to mention those. I watched a few things on the history channel about it and WWII when I was younger. I dont know about whats on now, I don't watch TV anymore and the only thing I listen to is my playlist on youtube. I only know a tiny bit of the old stuff cause cartoon network would play old cartoons midday.

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Okay let me bring you guys back on topic with a few questions!

Are the Duralast (Autozone) Strut Rod Bushings also made of that thermoplastic stuff that's ?crap for those bushings?

Duralast FA1771 is the part number for the frame to rod bushings. They seem like they're regular old rubber, but I'm judging based on pictures lol. Maybe some of you have used them?

The Duralast FA7193 is the part number for the rod to control arm bushings and those are stated as Rubber in the specs. Assuming the frame to rod ones are as well.

If not then what's the best and cheapest source for the Ford bushings.
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I have heard of mythical rubber bushings at parts stores but it seems like every time someone rolls the dice they end up being thermoplastic.

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Okay let me bring you guys back on topic with a few questions!

Are the Duralast (Autozone) Strut Rod Bushings also made of that thermoplastic stuff that's ?crap for those bushings?

Duralast FA1771 is the part number for the frame to rod bushings. They seem like they're regular old rubber, but I'm judging based on pictures lol. Maybe some of you have used them?

The Duralast FA7193 is the part number for the rod to control arm bushings and those are stated as Rubber in the specs. Assuming the frame to rod ones are as well.

If not then what's the best and cheapest source for the Ford bushings.
As mentioned above, the thermoplastic "MIGHT" work out ok if you use washers to retain them like the OEM rubbers did.

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Just curious, which loony tunes and pink panthers are you familiar with? The originals or the more modern reboots(Pink Panther with Steve Martin)? The originals were far better and less sanitized. Don't bog yourselves down with generational identity, anything new in entertainment is often rehashed from something truly groundbreaking in the past.
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As mentioned above, the thermoplastic "MIGHT" work out ok if you use washers to retain them like the OEM rubbers did.
Do the aftermarket (Moog, Mevotech, etc) not have washers? They seem like they come with washers as well.


Are the original washers not used in the aftermarket applications?
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The moogs and the like do not have that cup like washer. I personally suspect that may be a key to longevity if it can be salvaged off the old bushings, which it is bonded to.

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The moogs and the like do not have that cup like washer. I personally suspect that may be a key to longevity if it can be salvaged off the old bushings, which it is bonded to.
Aw, shit. If they're bonded then they're probably going to be impossible to get off properly. Is there any other OEM options besides the 180 dollar kit that SCP sells?

I guess I should just go OEM right now, I'll try to salvage the cup like washers and maybe build a set using Moogs to either sell or use at a later time as an experiment or something. But I can't take the front end apart and not have anything to replace it with.
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As mentioned above, the thermoplastic "MIGHT" work out ok if you use washers to retain them like the OEM rubbers did.
I just changed a set of these out for someone on SCCoA, and upon taking it apart, I think the major issue is not the washers or the bushings, but the sleeves that come with them. His car is not driven much, and not beat on either, and within probably a few thousand miles, they were deforming and giving him issues. The sleeves that come with them are a split design, and are cheap malleable metal, so just from the suspension cycling, both sides had twisted and bent up, which caused the bushings to deform and start to tear in those areas. While I still think the aftermarket ones will fatigue and fail eventually, I suspect that if they were used with a set of Jay's stainless steel sleeves, and perhaps the OEM washers, they might give a reasonable service life. I'm not about to try it on my own car just yet, but if someone is experimenting, I think that would be worth a try.

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Is there any other OEM options besides the 180 dollar kit that SCP sells?
Other than piece meal the parts from eBay, if you can find them. You have the part numbers from the pictures above. Jay's sleeves go for $135 then add in the cost of the bushings, you're right at what SCP is looking for.

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Seems like too critical of a component to skimp on. I'd love to spend 30-40 bucks and call it done but I guess I'll have to go the $$$$$ route. Couldn't any of the aftermarket guys think about just REPLICATING the factory bushings....?


Also any leads on a cheaper alternative to buying from TBSC?
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I just changed a set of these out for someone on SCCoA, and upon taking it apart, I think the major issue is not the washers or the bushings, but the sleeves that come with them. His car is not driven much, and not beat on either, and within probably a few thousand miles, they were deforming and giving him issues. The sleeves that come with them are a split design, and are cheap malleable metal, so just from the suspension cycling, both sides had twisted and bent up, which caused the bushings to deform and start to tear in those areas. While I still think the aftermarket ones will fatigue and fail eventually, I suspect that if they were used with a set of Jay's stainless steel sleeves, and perhaps the OEM washers, they might give a reasonable service life. I'm not about to try it on my own car just yet, but if someone is experimenting, I think that would be worth a try.

I don't entirely disagree but that sleeve looks like it may have deformed from overtightening from the getgo, you can see where the sleeve compressed at the caster nut, and twisted from the continual torque applied(it is a clockwise twist afterall). The torque spec probably shouldn't be as high as stock there, and I think that contributes to premature failure as well.

I have to imagine a generic solid tube can be obtained, just cut to length. I still think the cupped washer would help under braking, while the sleeve deformation probably happens under articulation.


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Aw, shit. If they're bonded then they're probably going to be impossible to get off properly. Is there any other OEM options besides the 180 dollar kit that SCP sells?

I guess I should just go OEM right now, I'll try to salvage the cup like washers and maybe build a set using Moogs to either sell or use at a later time as an experiment or something. But I can't take the front end apart and not have anything to replace it with.
Well it's on the very back of the bushing so it could probably be burned out pretty easily

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New question. Disregard Aftermarket bushings entirely.

How can I get OEM bushings for less than tBSC shop lol, 180 is gonna be the single most expensive part in my suspension setup besides the springs which were 220.
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buy the bushings posted in the sticky from Ford and reuse your stock sleeves. Should be no problem with rust in your climate, SS is mostly useful to those of us in inclement areas

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Stock sleeves are reusable?! I thought they weren't!

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buy the bushings posted in the sticky from Ford and reuse your stock sleeves. Should be no problem with rust in your climate, SS is mostly useful to those of us in inclement areas
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Stock sleeves are reusable?! I thought they weren't!
Yeah I was under the impression that we couldn't use the stock sleeves and that's why they were part of that kit.
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