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post #91 of 130 (permalink) Old 05-28-2013, 06:41 PM
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Sorry for the trouble you're having. The banjos that were included were the ones OEM for those calipers. I can't say they were the same year as I went through and got a bunch of brakes at once, but I pulled each and put it's banjo back so they wouldn't get confused. I hope you get it worked out.
Well bangster just mentioned that the threads are different so if you cant thread it in easy then its a no go but yeah the calipers likely came from 2 different cars as the rust and dirt build up up seemed to be different from each other. So different years isnt a problem if they both take the same banjo. In this case they both work with either banjo. This is my daily so better to be thorough before just slapping them on and finding trouble later. After I get the piston boots all sorted out Im heading to this shop to see why its taking 2 months for a custom set of SS lines that fit like OEM.

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got all my parts needed to do this tonight after work

Will be installing tomorrow after i take son to go see Turbo

will report how it all went, seems to be very straight forward, and excellent write up to follow.

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Just the one note - you'll need to trim either the spindle, or the mounting ear, to avoid interference after the brakes wear down a bit. Not by much, but some.

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Hiya, ya i trimmed the mounting ear, also had to trim the brake line block where the banjo bolt goes through. Everything mounted and ready to roll, except i messed up the line block on the driver side, had to order a new one, will be here tomorrow.

But other than that, everything went really smooth and easy.

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So, got a bad caliper driver side, got it replaced last night. All installed and bled, FRAKING awesome brakes.

Stops so smooth and without effort.

Very happy with the results, and TY to the op on the awesome write up.

If anyone who hasn't done this yet and you need brakes, do your self a favor and get to it :P

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So, got a bad caliper driver side, got it replaced last night. All installed and bled, FRAKING awesome brakes.

Stops so smooth and without effort.

Very happy with the results, and TY to the op on the awesome write up.

If anyone who hasn't done this yet and you need brakes, do your self a favor and get to it :P


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yep, love mine to death! best thing i ever did, and i would recommend anyone who has plans for more power start here first! i even went all disk and replaced my drums out back, so the difference was probably a bit more dramatic on my side of things.





super easy swap, just hack off a bit of the brakeline block on the one side and grind down the upper ear of the calipers a bit on each side.

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Did the swap a few weeks ago on mine! What a difference! I found a nice 2000 and fresh 1999 Mustang at the boneyard - $29.99 later I had the full set of brakes! I'd already had a set of brand new hoses that I'd bought from Rockauto years ago that I put on.

This was defiantly one of the best upgrades I've done to the car - had to do a quick stop the other day, and the brakes now want to put me through the windshield it stops so well!
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Is the phenolic piston a dealbreaker? Advance has them for about $50 each with coupons - but they don't have steel pistons.
Also, the 2004 uses the same banjo as the bird, correct..?
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Is the phenolic piston a dealbreaker? Advance has them for about $50 each with coupons - but they don't have steel pistons.
Also, the 2004 uses the same banjo as the bird, correct..?
Phenolic piston advantages are: lighter, insulate heat, won't rust, not affected by heat or moisture and run tighter clearances.

Steel piston advantages are: stronger, wear slower, rebuildable, and won't crack like phenoic.

TBird banjo bolts WILL NOT fit Mustang PBRs.

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Phenolic piston advantages are: lighter, insulate heat, won't rust, not affected by heat or moisture and run tighter clearances.

Steel piston advantages are: stronger, wear slower, rebuildable, and won't crack like phenoic.

TBird banjo bolts WILL NOT fit Mustang PBRs.
Seems all the vendors are selling phenolic...

According to NAPA:
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1999-2002 - Inlet Size : M10 X 1
2003-2004 = Inlet Size : M10 X 1.5

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Inlet Size : M10 X 1.5

I've read others used Tbird banjo bolts on their 03-04 calipers...

Are the PBR bolts longer?
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Phenolic piston advantages are: lighter, insulate heat, won't rust, not affected by heat or moisture and run tighter clearances.

Steel piston advantages are: stronger, wear slower, rebuildable, and won't crack like phenoic.

TBird banjo bolts WILL NOT fit Mustang PBRs.
Correction - the earlier PBRs use a different banjo bolt.

The 2003/2004 use the same bolt as the TBirds.

FordParts.COM shows the 2003/2004 as being a coarse M10. So is the TBird one.

The 1999-2002 is a fine M10.

Corollary: If possible, use a 2003/2004 caliper set. In any case, always get matching banjo bolts.

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I find if you order calipers for a 04 you get them with a 10mx1.5 thread banjo bolt the same as our cars, 99 were 10mx1.0 and the banjo bolts cost a fortune. For anyone worried about grinding the spindle don't I take just a little off the caliper and a little off the spindle and have plenty of clearance. Forget chasing the parts at junkyards just order reman calipers and dump the stock calipers as cores they value the same and nobody ever complains. You also get calipers you don't have to worry about being bad.
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I find if you order calipers for a 04 you get them with a 10mx1.5 thread banjo bolt the same as our cars, 99 were 10mx1.0 and the banjo bolts cost a fortune. For anyone worried about grinding the spindle don't I take just a little off the caliper and a little off the spindle and have plenty of clearance. Forget chasing the parts at junkyards just order reman calipers and dump the stock calipers as cores they value the same and nobody ever complains. You also get calipers you don't have to worry about being bad.
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Getting reman 04s is a no brainier for $47each. Salvage ones will likey cost more (for me anyway because there are no good yards here and everything is overpriced or I have to ship), and there are new crush washers, pins, sliders, etc. You can also use your banjo bolts. There is also a lifetime warranty.

I've replaced countless calipers and no one as much opened a box. The other caliper sells for about the same, it is not like returning a box of rocks.

You can also do a test fit without the pads to confirm any clearance issues and minimize grinding.

One last thing, I read some people use two left hand hoses to eliminate some grinding? How does that work with the mounting? I guess you have to drill a slot in the frame?
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I found some low cost braided an hoses that simplify the front, I literally bought a case of the kits.The problem is they have standard sae threads on the adapter meaning you either have to reflare the line if you are cheap like me or buy the $8 metric adapter. It's not a huge deal but that $8 drives the cost up quickly. I haven't had so much luck on the rear the lines are a bit short I put them on my car but I was redoing the steel at the time and changed the mounting location to get a proper fit. I have made a short piece of line with the correct fittings on both ends to make the lines work on the rear but again it becomes time or money.
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WELL, since the Bird is gone "RIP"

I get to do this all over again on the New Cougar.

got some nice cross drilled R1Concepts rotors on order, picking up the mustang calipers/pads tomorrow

soon as the rotors get here i'll have real brakes again

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Finally found time to install all this stuff in boxes

Considering it was my 2nd prb conversion (did my red bird), went very smooth and quick, also replaced rotors and pads out back.

I have Real Brakes again

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i just got a set of dual piston calipers off a late model grand marquis will they work?
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did this conversion a few months ago and what a huge difference the only problem is I am getting a lot more brake dust on my rims ....I know the pads are bigger which means more brake dust but I think its a little to much anybody else have this problem?.....and yes I got the pads on right I did read almost every article before I did the conversion like I always do
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i just got a set of dual piston calipers off a late model grand marquis will they work?
No, they won't simply bolt on (with minor clearancing) like the Mustang PBRs outlined here.

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did this conversion a few months ago and what a huge difference the only problem is I am getting a lot more brake dust on my rims ....I know the pads are bigger which means more brake dust but I think its a little to much anybody else have this problem?.....and yes I got the pads on right I did read almost every article before I did the conversion like I always do
Other than using a different pad, I had problems first time because I thought that inner and outer pads are the same, and they are not. I got uneven wear.

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Ok guess I am going to double check if I have them on right but they are wearing even I look at the front brakes every time I have it up on the lift (nice thing to have access to) to make sure nothing is leaking
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Are they the same brand and model pad that were on the old caliper? Some pads are dustier than others.

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don't know what they other ones were they were on the car when I got it but these are the onesI put on that came with the brand new centric calipers..... calipers,brackets,pads,and the came with all the hardware including banjo bolts and washers are all centric and while I was there put on new hoses and rotors ...not a bad deal cost me $215.00 for everything ended up not needing the pbr brackets I got from the yard but still have them in my box at work though
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Ya dusting seems to be more related to the pad you buy,

I have had great success with the Wearever Platinum pads from advance auto. Dont seem to dust a whole lot, grab well, and are very quiet

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Was going to get wagner themo quit after i go threw this set
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anything ceramic wont dust your rims.

its the semi-metallics that have a lot of dusty stuff in them that make for a messy rim in the wet weather.

just grab yourself something that says ceramic on it from the local parts store like wagners or brakebestselect ceramics, etc and you'll be fine.

ceramics also resist brake fade from heat, and they tend to squeal less.

that being said i have seen them glaze over with extreme abuse and loose nearly all brake performance, but that can happen to any pad really.

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The one time I had really bad dusting was when I installed the pads wrong, I confused the inners with the outers. I actually put two dents in the face of the pistons because of that. Oops! Definitely make sure you use ceramic pads. Anything else is just....."meh".

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This may not be relevant to the current conversation, but I found this pic while flipping thru old pictures in photobucket. This is a comparison pic of the Sport option 16" brake caliper versus the 2000 Mustang PBR caliper.


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I just want to clarify a few things. I just bought a slightly used pair of OEM '04 Cobra calipers (off of a Mystichrome if it matters). Based on what I've read on just this page, my stock banjo bolts will work with these calipers? If so, all I have to do is grind either the RH caliper a bit where the hose goes on or grind the hose itself? Then grind the calipers at the top edge to clear the spindle?

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