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Classic Tube SS Brake Line Installation Notes

Classic Tube Installation Notes 1989 – 1992 Thunderbird - Cougar


These directions are intended for the private use of SCCoA. They are not to be distributed by commercial vendors!!

Front:
The front lines will be the two shorter lines in the set. There is not a specific LH and RH.

You may have to drill holes to mount the new brackets. Many times you can find a factory hole close enough to the location, so take a look first before you start drilling. Self Tapping machine screws are the easiest method to install the new brackets.

To secure the lines in the new bracket, install the tab on the top side of the bracket, with the lip of the tab upward. It is a tight fit, and a small hammer can be useful to tap it into place. If you install the tab upside down, the line will be loose in the bracket.

It is easier to route and position the lines if you leave all the fittings loose during installation. Once you have the line where you want it, make sure to get the fittings good and snug. Even the smallest leak will leave air in your system and can be dangerous.

Be sure to use a torque wrench when tightening the banjo bolts. They should be tightened to 30 – 40 lb. ft. There should be a crush washer on the top and bottom of the line fitting. Improper torque or installation can result in leaks or damage to the caliper.

Rear:
The rear lines will be the two longer lines in the set. There is not a specific LH and RH.

There is no cutting needed on the rear brackets. Just pull them off and replace with the new brackets. You can reuse the one hole left from the factory bracket to install the new bracket, and drill another hole if two screws are desired for mounting.

You will need to add the new distribution block on the driver’s side, as the factory one is molded into the lines. Install the new block and fitting in the same direction as the factory unit, and secure with one machine screw.

There are two ways to route the rear lines. The first way is the easiest. From the caliper, take the line up and over the upper control arm to the mounting bracket. These will create a gently arc over the upper control arm, leaving plenty of room for suspension travel. If you want a routing closer to the factory line, it is best to grind down the small tab on the back of the caliper, right next to where the line attaches. This will allow the fitting to pivot and provide a more manageable angle for the new line.

Follow the same installation and torque specs as the front lines.

Installation Notes 1993 – 1997 Thunderbird - Cougar
Front:
The front lines will be the two shorter lines in the set. There is not a specific LH and RH.

The brake line bracket and ABS wire bracket (if equipped) are all one piece. The stock bracket will need to be removed and have the Brake line side cut off if you wish to retain the mounting point for the ABS wire. This can easily be done with a sharp hacksaw and vise. You then reinstall the bracket, and install the new brake line bracket separately.

You may have to drill holes to mount the new brackets. Many times you can find a factory hole close enough to the location, so take a look first before you start drilling. Self Tapping machine screws are the easiest method to install the new brackets.

To secure the lines in the new bracket, install the tab on the top side of the bracket, with the lip of the tab upward. It is a tight fit, and a small hammer can be useful to tap it into place. If you install the tab upside down, the line will be loose in the bracket.

It is easier to route and position the lines if you leave all the fittings loose during installation. Once you have the line where you want it, make sure to get the fittings good and snug. Even the smallest leak will leave air in your system and can be dangerous.

Be sure to use a torque wrench when tightening the banjo bolts. They should be tightened to 30 – 40 lb. ft. There should be a crush washer on the top and bottom of the line fitting. Improper torque or installation can result in leaks or damage to the caliper.

Rear:
The rear lines will be the two longer lines in the set. There is not a specific LH and RH.

There is no cutting needed on the rear brackets. Just pull them off and replace with the new brackets. You can reuse the one hole left from the factory bracket to install the new bracket, and drill another hole if two screws are desired for mounting.

There are two ways to route the rear lines. The first way is the easiest. From the caliper, take the line up and over the upper control arm to the mounting bracket. These will create a gently arc over the upper control arm, leaving plenty of room for suspension travel. If you want a routing closer to the factory line, it is best to grind down the small tab on the back of the caliper, right next to where the line attaches. This will allow the fitting to pivot and provide a more manageable angle for the new line.

Follow the same installation and torque specs as the front lines.

Sample Installation Pictures




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1993 Thunderbird SC -Awaiting Suspension-
1994 Mark VIII - 14.85 @ 93.95 -SOLD-
1996 Thunderbird Sport 15.57 @ 89.42 -Retired @ 258k-
1997 Thunderbird LX AED -SOLD-
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1997 Mark VIII LSC 12.97 @ 112.15 -SOLD-

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All done!

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what steel lines do i get if i did a cobra 13" upgrade....cobra or tird

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Your stock lines will work with the Cobra calipers. You will just need to sand down the mounting block on one side slightly.

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i dont want stock lines i want steel. thanks though.

just saw another thread saying you just get tbird lines so they match up to hard lines on car.

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This doesn't show up on the website anymore; anyone have a part number to search?

this:
Classic Tube Installation Notes 1989 €“ 1992 Thunderbird - Cougar

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what doesnt show up?

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FYI:
I bought my set from http://spinningwheels-sc.com/ and saved a few bucks (after shipping) over buying direct from Classic Tube.
Also, during the install, I noticed that the metal flex hoses are NOT tightened to the adapters that will attach to the Tbird's hardlines. Make sure you tighten them before install or you will have a lot of oozing and mushy brakes.


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What's with the distribution block? I recently got a set and it came with it but my SC doesn't have one. It's the same as my 94 LX. The fittings were wrong too so now I have a set of SS lines I can't put on.

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What's with the distribution block? I recently got a set and it came with it but my SC doesn't have one. It's the same as my 94 LX. The fittings were wrong too so now I have a set of SS lines I can't put on.
That distribution block is for cars with the Teves Mk II ABS - where there's one hardline run to the back, and the flex hose on the driver's side has a distribution block built in.

Also, the fittings changed during the Gen 1 run - I think in 1993, but someone else will be glad to correct me.

If you had a Gen1 SC without ABS - it's been redone. ABS was part of the SC package.

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Thanks Ralph

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How much different are the 93-97 Thunderbird/Cougar and the 93-98 Mark VIII lines? The install pictures for the 93-97 are from a Mark VIII, right? I am just curious as it seems like the brake line mount in front is also used for the leveling system, right? It looks like you cut the hose off the bracket. Are the fittings, length of hoses, and brackets the same front and rear between the two?

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Trying to decide what brake line kit I need.Looking at Spinning Wheels' kits.
Car 90 Cougar

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Is there a difference between non ABS(my car) hard lines and ABS equipped cars?

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For a 1990? Oh, HELL yah.

ABS ran one line back which was split at the driver's side.

Non-ABS used a X-pattern at the master cylinder, and ran TWO lines back.

So you'll want the non-ABS plumbing.

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Are the Classic Tube stainless steel lines for MN12s even made any more? I could not find them on their website.

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Yes they still make them but do not buy them directly from Classic. I had called them to order mine, spoke with a guy named Tim who had no idea that they made them. Anyway my order got messed up and after waiting 8 months for my lines, rear only, I received a set of rear lines that were a replica of the OEM lines with the prebent parts. I was confused about that but what made me mad was I only received the rear lines and was charged for a full set. Tim promised he would take care of the problem but never did. I never received any kind of refund or adjustment on my bill.

So don't order from Classic, the guys that answer the phones don't know anything about their products besides looking up part numbers. Don'y get burned like I did, buy them from Spinningwheels or SCP.

Another thing that was funny was when Tim was talking to me about my refund he was going to give me he told me that the cost of all the parts was worth more than they charged me which is a complete lie. I was charged nearly $170 with shipping. I had by chance been to a new store in Mesa a few weeks later that sells all of the necessary hardware. I had the guy look everything up and give me the part numbers, the total for a complete set of rear brake lines was ~$66 and that included the OEM type brackets for the rear lines in the wheel well.

This is the place in Arizona: http://www.parkerstorephx.com/

If you can find a similar store in your area you can get everything for a third of the cost and they will put it all together for you. They even carry colored flex lines and colored fittings so you can customize.

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Distribution block?

So I got a set of SS lines from Spinning wheels for my 91 Sport, I thought it would have come ready to go.
But it looks like I need a distribution block for the rear?
Anybody got a part # or should this have come with the kit?

I emailed Spinning wheels but nothing back yet.

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Check Ralph's response in thread #11. Is your car equipped with ABS? Your kit didn't come with it? Did they give you the right kit?

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I called Victor, he gave me to Diane and she gave me the number to Classic tube. I called there and the guy that answered said to call back to talk to Tim..

I haven't had time to call back.

Yes, I have the ABS. I looked at the Spinning Wheels site again and nothing is pictured with a distribution block.
I figured someone else has done this at some point and was hoping for a kit part # or a direction for a distribution block or a part # for that.

Hopefully I'll find out something this week.

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They use the same pic for TBird, Tbird SC, and Mark VIII; none of which show what I got (one cable was with a male end, which screwed into a distribution block / T-fitting, for the driver's rear).

Huh.

I might have to see about getting a pic of that if I'm under the car again soon (and I might be; still have a coolant leak at the front, drats.)

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