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So I'm leaning towards the 4.6 either the PI motor or the DOHC. Either way I will definitely do the TR3650 swap. Since, the tranny is Cheaper and my current 4.6 still has many miles left on it I will probably replace the tranny first and then swap in a new motor later on down the road. Do you guys know of any reputable websites or companies that would sell a remanufactured 05 + TR3650. Or would I be better off trying to find a Mustang in the Junkyard and pull it from that?

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Nice looking car man. Welcome.

I suggest the DOHC with a T45. To me it the easiest way to make a reliable 400+ manual Tbird. You can use your 2v computer, just need it tuned.
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Its really cool. Good luck with your plans.

Just read you're going 3650. Its probably cheaper to buy a parts car or search ebay.

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MadMikey - Are these the motor mounts that I would need to get the 351w to fit on the 4.6 K-member?

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No, You need the actual mounting brackets..Specifically the top plates..

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Here is what the stock 5.0 mount looks like. It consist of the bottom piece, the center liquid filled section, and the top piece.




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Unless you can find someone parting out a 5.0 MN12, it might be easier to just buy custom mounts from TurboChuck

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MadMikey - Are these the motor mounts that I would need to get the 351w to fit on the 4.6 K-member?
I have a set of stock style 5.0 mounts for our cars. I have solid rubber mounts in them. I may be willing to part with them too.

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I actually contacted chuck from turbochuck awhile back about buying a set of his Type 6 motor mounts but he said that he has stopped making motor mounts.

So is the 94/95 4.6 Kmember the same as the 5.0 Kmember that was in the 91-93 5.0 HO tbirds? Because Madmikey was saying I would just need the motor mounts from a 5.0 and not the whole cross-member. There are a couple of 91-93 5.0 Tbirds and some 3.8's at a local yard so I could pull the entire crossmember if I needed it, or I could just take the motor mounts.

I'm assuming that the Crossmember is identical as well as the motor mounts for the 5.0 and the 3.8.

Then there is also the Tubular crossmember from AJE but from what I read the people who have bought it had problems with fitment and it did not allign corectly.

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I actually contacted chuck from turbochuck awhile back about buying a set of his Type 6 motor mounts but he said that he has stopped making motor mounts.

So is the 94/95 4.6 Kmember the same as the 5.0 Kmember that was in the 91-93 5.0 HO tbirds? Because Madmikey was saying I would just need the motor mounts from a 5.0 and not the whole cross-member. There are a couple of 91-93 5.0 Tbirds and some 3.8's at a local yard so I could pull the entire crossmember if I needed it, or I could just take the motor mounts.

I'm assuming that the Crossmember is identical as well as the motor mounts for the 5.0 and the 3.8.

Then there is also the Tubular crossmember from AJE but from what I read the people who have bought it had problems with fitment and it did not allign corectly.

AJE Suspension TB-80UM: K-Member 1989-97 Ford Thunderbird | JEGS
Wow, I really got lucky on the set I got from Turbo Chuck.

I believe that the K member is the same from 89-97 on all models. It's just the mounts you need I'm reasonably sure. You may find a set of mounts in the local yard but the stock mounts were fluid filled. The set that I have are solid rubber at least. If you're interested I think we could work something out.

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I was saying you need the top plates from a 91-93 5.0 cougar. There are 2 different mn12 k-members. One is for all 89-92 cars, and the other is for all 93-97 cars. Engine choice does not affect the k-member that was installed. Where the difficulty comes in is if you want to drop a 5.0 or any small block ford into any 93 or newer MN12, that leaves you searching specifically for a set of 93 5.0 mounts because you need the 5.0 top plate and the newer style lower brackets. What I was trying to explain is that if you have trouble finding specifically a 93 5.0 to get the mounts from, then you can make your own by getting upper plates from a 91 or 92 5.0 mn12, and combining them with lower brackets from a 93+ 3.8 MN12, which will work with the stock 5.0 middle pieces. What you linked are just the middle pieces, which you will need, but that is not all you would need.

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I have a set of top plates, middle mounts and bottom brackets. It sounds like the top plates are pretty much made of unobtanium at this point so I have something useful I think.

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So the 1992 5.0 and the 1993 5.0 had different crossmembers but shared the same top plate mounting brackets.

Because the crossmember is different between the two years that is why the lower brackets changed. That is what was confusing me, they have the same engine and top mounts but different crossmembers and lower mounts.

So if I can't find specifically a 1993 that had a 5.0, then i would have to resort to a 1993 or newer 3.8 and mix and match the 5.0 upper mount from 1991-1993, with the 1993 or newer 3.8 lower mount because it has the same crossmember and lower mounts.

If I can find a 1993 3.8, will the top mounts fit the 5.0?

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Also, would a 89-92 kmember bolt into my 1994 car since it shares the same mn12 chassis?

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So the 1992 5.0 and the 1993 5.0 had different crossmembers but shared the same top plate mounting brackets.

Because the crossmember is different between the two years that is why the lower brackets changed. That is what was confusing me, they have the same engine and top mounts but different crossmembers and lower mounts.

So if I can't find specifically a 1993 that had a 5.0, then i would have to resort to a 1993 or newer 3.8 and mix and match the 5.0 upper mount from 1991-1993, with the 1993 or newer 3.8 lower mount because it has the same crossmember and lower mounts.

If I can find a 1993 3.8, will the top mounts fit the 5.0?
My entire set of mounts (bottom, top and middle) are from a 93. It seems like it fits the bill and keeps you from having to get a different K member or from having to mix and match any parts.

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Now you've got it!

No, the 3.8 top plates are completely different, and won't work. The k-member would swap over just fine, but that is a lot of work compared to just finding the right motor mount parts. Literally the only difference between the k-members is the motor mount pads are about 1" further apart on the newer ones. If you do decide on a SBF swap, just buy the mounts from MaddMartigan and be done.
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