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If I remember whent he swap-time comes allong, I'll weigh them. I dont have a scale at the momenet.
Consider, though the calipers may be lighter, ther rotors will be heavier. That's an extra 40 cubic inches of steel rotor.

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Consider, though the calipers may be lighter, ther rotors will be heavier. That's an extra 40 cubic inches of steel rotor.
You know they felt like they where just about the same, take a pound or two.

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If I remember whent he swap-time comes allong, I'll weigh them. I dont have a scale at the momenet.
Consider, though the calipers may be lighter, ther rotors will be heavier. That's an extra 40 cubic inches of steel rotor.
Only if we're talking about the Cobra rotors here. Going with the GT PBR setup definitely sheds a bit of weight, as you keep the stock rotor diameter.

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Took a bit of weight out of the car today... Went ahead and did some winter cleaning in my trunk... The only thing i had to weigh was my bathroom scale which isn't all that accurate i'm sure, especially for weighing things oddball shaped that don't quite fit on the scale well.... anyways...

Alpine Type S 12 + Ported Box = 58 lbs
Steel Spare Tire = 31 lbs
E Jack + Misc. Tire Changing Tools = 11 lbs
Cardboard piece of crap covering the spare tire = 4 lbs

Thinking about taking out the entire trunk interior trim next, especially since i have holes cut in mine for my shock tower bar. Back seat and rear seat belts may come out as well, less weight and an excuse to not give those certain people a ride...
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I don't know if you thought of this or not but to weigh things that don't exactly fit on a scale I do this; I weigh myself, I weigh myself while holding the item, and then I subtract my weight from preivous reading. I hope that helps.

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I thought about that as well. I just decided to throw the things i needed to weigh on the scale and go from there. Some things such as the sub box would be hard to weigh while holding because the box would block my view of the gauge. Thanks for the advice though, i'm sure it will be helpful to other members.
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Updated the Brakes section. And i seen that fanblades weigh about 17.5 lbs each, any confirmation on this. Ans what about sport/SC rims. Anyone got the weights on those?

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I agree we need to find out the weight of the SC/Sport rims I have a full set on my V8. I also have a set of early SC rims. I'll check and see what they weigh when I can.

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16" 89-93 SC wheels are 21 lbs

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16" 89-93 SC wheels are 21 lbs

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I know they look similar but are these the same as '96/97 Sport rims as far as weight?

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Not sure what the weight is on those. The 94-95 SC wheels are the same as the 96/97 sport wheels. The 89-93 wheels are different.

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dont forget, theres an extra 0.000000000001 lb weight advantage of the 93-95sc wheels over the 96/7 ones because of the notch for center cap removal

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Great topic!

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dont forget, theres an extra 0.000000000001 lb weight advantage of the 93-95sc wheels over the 96/7 ones because of the notch for center cap removal
But.....I threw those center caps off cause it looks a lot sportier. Was missing 1 of 4 anyway so I took the other three off and was pleased with the look.
Haven't gotten an Indecent Exposure ticket yet either because of my nuts showing!

Seriously though, has anyone put a fairly stock MN12 (steel body, no fiberglass) on those 4 wheel scales that racer shops have? What were those results?

I'd love to pair my 'bird down as much as I could; tons of kickass ideas here already. But realistically I'd have to save those kind of plans for a second 'bird. The one I have has to stay in Daily Driver status.

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just an update, the car originally weighed 3,940 lbs.
Current weight with me out of it, 2,960 lbs.

Still have more to come off.

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just an update, the car originally weighed 3,940 lbs.
Yikes! I kinda figured it was high though....

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Current weight with me out of it, 2,960 lbs.
Wooooow. Cool!

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Updated, new engine part weights.

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just an update, the car originally weighed 3,940 lbs.
Current weight with me out of it, 2,960 lbs.

Still have more to come off.
Wow, you lost 980lbs in a year or so! I have a friend who is 6'4" and 450, I'll have him join the thread. Seems like your diet plan works wonders. Might save him $30K over lap band surgery.

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He could probably use some tips on lightening his '79 Thunderbird as well.

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Well, what are his plans for the car?
Street or race?

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Well i weighed my dash last night its about 39lbs with out stereo, AC/heater controls, insturment gauge, and glove box. Weighed it with bathroom scale
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I'm hopefully going to drop a little over 100 more lbs.
It adds up on paper...
switch out the C6 for a C4....should be right around 100 lbs lighter, and switching to a fuel cell, should knock off another 20 lbs.
And, maybe an aluminum DS....which I think I'm going to need another anyway, cause I had to cut down my original one to fit for the C6.

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i have a c4 but it was for my 88 t-bird(gone now) and I'm switching to a fuel cell too.
They don't make a bell for 4.6 to c4 do they?
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i have a c4 but it was for my 88 t-bird(gone now) and I'm switching to a fuel cell too.
They don't make a bell for 4.6 to c4 do they?
Yes, I believe they do....but I do not rememebr who the "who" is?

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Hey great thread awsome info i wanna put my bird on a diet but how far can i go and still bear to drive on street/hiway on that note what about the sound deadner does taking this out make it horrible to drive
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Well my car weights about 3500lbs

That is with a 351W & AOD. oh yeah a full interior roll cage + 2X3 frame added.
fuel cell, added rear weight. No wiring for lights, No lights, No glass, Lexan windshield or even door guts, cut half the front bumper off, gutted most of the inner hood.
PBR's on the way. No seats, except Aluminum racing drivers seat.

I need to shed about 75lb from the front. looking at the inner fenders but worried
about structural stiffness. Just cut some vents behind front fenders, inner Wheel wel.

Note: PBR's came today! But must be fitted before I can use them.

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did anybody figure out the weight of the A/C junk?
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the ac stuff ie compressor, condenser, lines etc was around 30 pounds...
pbr and cobra calipers weigh almost exactly the same. Only difference is in the rotors.

i need ideas to lose weight....its NOT a street car. the following i have removed so far.

hood latch
hood latch mounting bracket
wiper fluid resevoir
abs sensors on wheels. no further than that.
trac loc sensors on diff all the way to drivers foot area
alum driveshaft
alum block
back seats /seat belts
door panels
front speakers
all ac stuff
passenger seat/ seatbelt
rear panels on the inside
racing seat

some ideas i have are
front crash guard? anyone have pics?
alum lower control arms (waiting on perches)
alum diff (need to install)
trace the rest of the abs sensors/wires and remove
trace the rest of trac loc wires and remove
fuel cell in trunk? anyone have pics of the firewall that is required if you do this?
race battery
remove front swaybar? (will it drive ok around corners since i have lowering springs the 5 miles to the track?
remove air bags?
lighter steering wheel?
Im open to any suggestions people have.

i would love to lose some more weight so when i put a 6 point cage in it kinda compensates. that and its the poor mans horsepower.

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The steering wheel isn't heavy but the airbags are. I would take out the window motors if its just a track car

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you want to ditch just the abs sensors? the effort of taking them off is not worth the weight lost(which is pretty much nothing) if you want to lose weight from abs ditch abs all together.

same with the front swaybar, thats a huge job taking it off and putting it back on just to go down a track for a few seconds.

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fuel cell in trunk? anyone have pics of the firewall that is required if you do this?

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But.....I threw those center caps off cause it looks a lot sportier. Was missing 1 of 4 anyway so I took the other three off and was pleased with the look.
Haven't gotten an Indecent Exposure ticket yet either because of my nuts showing!

Seriously though, has anyone put a fairly stock MN12 (steel body, no fiberglass) on those 4 wheel scales that racer shops have? What were those results?

I'd love to pair my 'bird down as much as I could; tons of kickass ideas here already. But realistically I'd have to save those kind of plans for a second 'bird. The one I have has to stay in Daily Driver status.
Your best choices to drop weight and retain all the DD comforts is the switch from iron/steel to all aluminum parts. These are the aluminum parts that will eventually be on my car Pumpkin/LCAs/Driveshaft/aluminum engine block with plastic intake its about 150 lbs in weight credit to stock. The goal to keep the car at a stock weight or less. Weight added includes a few braces, heavy duty spare tire cover, stereo system with relatively 2 small amps and subs, heavier sway bars. This is my DD and the latest weight to be added is a pair of SC seats. LOL This might sound like I'm going backwards to most people here but it should be about stock weight in the end. I'm not going to race anytime soon but if I go to the track it would be cool to bump the subs on the track during staging and waiting. Run whatcha brung type of idea. Whats the point in taking out something you drive around with all the time just to show a slightly lower ET?

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