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Seriously though, has anyone put a fairly stock MN12 (steel body, no fiberglass) on those 4 wheel scales that racer shops have? What were those results?
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I put mine on a truck scale and it weighed 3460 lbs without me in it. That was without the back seat and about 1/4 tank of gas. The only other weight reduction was the explorer engine with the AL block and plastic intake. So I'm only a little bit heavier than an automatic mustang.

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thanks for the picture racecougar. guess i need to look up how thick it needs to be in the nhra rule book. is that one alum or steel?

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NHRA requires a minimum thickness of .024" if using steel or .032" if using aluminum. I used .040" aluminum. Don't forget to do the package shelf as well.

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can i do on top of the package shelf or does it have to be down bottom? i appreciate the quick response..saves me some trouble looking it up.

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You can go over the top of the existing package shelf. The main thing is that you're sealing the trunk off from the drivers compartment.

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what about the heater core and dash what would that remove

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i think the heater core and all heater parts is around 32-35. the dash total has been debated many times. i would estimate a minimum of fifty pounds if you truly want to pull every unnessesary wire and bracket and .......

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i'd say an assembled dash with the frame, sound deadening, harnesses, passenger airbag and misc. modules it is probably around 80 lbs. the earlier dash's seem to be a bit more, at least thats what my "arm scales"" seem to tell me lol

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I put mine on a truck scale and it weighed 3460 lbs without me in it. That was without the back seat and about 1/4 tank of gas. The only other weight reduction was the explorer engine with the AL block and plastic intake. So I'm only a little bit heavier than an automatic mustang.

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I also put mine on a truck scale and it was 3820. Thats with a full tank of gas, no driver, 2 amps in the trunk(no sub box yet), Mark DOHC-lower rear control arms-diff and aluminum drive shaft. It also has 18" Speedstars(wich are a bit heavier than the stock 16 inchers. So is my car just heavy like me?

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I put mine on a truck scale and it weighed 3460 lbs without me in it. That was without the back seat and about 1/4 tank of gas. The only other weight reduction was the explorer engine with the AL block and plastic intake.
Ok, thanks! Nice to have a general idea for some kind of baseline to compare against....mine has no added stereo/sub/amp equipment, stock block and intake, fan blade rims, no MKVIII parts, power seats..both drivers and passenger side, etc.
Based on your own given weight and description, should I guess I'm sitting at 3,500-3,600 with said 1/4 tank of gas?

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Ok, thanks! Nice to have a general idea for some kind of baseline to compare against....mine has no added stereo/sub/amp equipment, stock block and intake, fan blade rims, no MKVIII parts, power seats..both drivers and passenger side, etc.
Based on your own given weight and description, should I guess I'm sitting at 3,500-3,600 with said 1/4 tank of gas?
I'd say probably aound 3600-3700. There's only one way to find out for sure.

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im at 3400 with no spare tire, race seats, alum block, 15 inch rims, no rear seat, and other minor weight reduction. just got weighed yesterday.

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I'd say probably aound 3600-3700. There's only one way to find out for sure.
Ok thanks. I do know someone who builds and races circle track cars, and he does have those wheel scales. But it's not very convenient for me to just swing by for that since I moved away from that general area. Just wanted a general idea where my car is sitting at for weight, since I'm not planning on making that kind of a playtoy out of it. If I can get another bird though......that sucker will be street legal by the barest of margins.

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when i get mine back from the shop with my hood on it, i'm just gonna take a trunk full of crap to the dump and weigh it on the way out.

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the stock 96 hood was 60 pounds and my cobra r hood was 30
that sounds about right. my scp cobra r ram air hood doesnt feel as light as it should when im holding it up. honestly it didnt feel much lighter than my stock one. but thats just me. idk. im sure its somewhere around that 30. i thought it felt a little heavier. my guess would be about 40lbs.---i should take it off. set it on a stool thats already on the scale. and subtract the stools weight fromt that...just for you guys haha.

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set it on a stool thats already on the scale. and subtract the stools weight fromt that...just for you guys haha.
some people have heavier "stools" than others...

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I just bought some Lincoln LS wheels... 14.4 pounds each....
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This thread could use some updating again.

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This thread could use some updating again.
Throw some numbers at me , i'll be happy to update, or if there are newer products that are lighter I will add them to it

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I just bought some Lincoln LS wheels... 14.4 pounds each....
What size were these rims? Was this the Spare? It sounds pretty light. If you could verify these numbers I will be more than happy to add this in, thanks


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MN12 / FN10 Rear Sub-Frame

I weighed a complete 1998 Mark VIII LSC 3.27 open rear sub frame including two Mark VIII spares and it weighed ~355 lbs.

I installed previously mentioned Mark VIII sub frame, then weighed my 1995 Thunderbird LX 3.08 open rear sub frame with the same exact two spares and it weighed in at ~409 lbs.

So the differences were disc vs drum brakes, aluminum pumpkin and lower control arms, and I don't know the differences in the the sway bars or axles for a savings of about 54 lbs. If I remember, I will measure the axle and sway bars and edit this post...

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Nice weight data. I can confirm a great deal of that from all the pieces I've taken off my '97 TB-LX.
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So here is stuff no one removes or weighs except me and one other person (you know who you are)

Cruise control solenoid and cable 6lbs
aluminum mark 8 spare no tire 10 lbs
abs pickup rings on hubs 5.9 oz each so 1.5 pounds total of rotating weight (for the desperate).

I will keep editing this post as I weigh more things.

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So here is stuff no one removes or weighs except me and one other person (you know who you are)

Cruise control solenoid and cable 6lbs
aluminum mark 8 spare no tire 10 lbs
abs pickup rings on hubs 5.9 oz each so 1.5 pounds total of rotating weight (for the desperate).

I will keep editing this post as I weigh more things.



I hardly take weights anymore......that, and I can't find a whole lot to take off anymore...

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I hardly take weights anymore......that, and I can't find a whole lot to take off anymore...
I can relate to the not weighing things anymore. I did a couple since I was curios. Try stripping a street car lol. It's much more of a pain in the butt since I need to drive it everyday.

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FWIW: My '97 in "ready to race" trim weighs 3670 lbs with a half tank of fuel and no driver. This is with full interior and A/C, but everything out of the trunk and Mark VIII aluminum spares with skinny drag tires on the front. The car now has an aluminum block engine and fiberglass hood, but the SVO blower, chassis stiffeners, etc added mass. For comparison, the car weighed 3780 when new.

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I hardly take weights anymore......that, and I can't find a whole lot to take off anymore...
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I can relate to the not weighing things anymore. I did a couple since I was curios. Try stripping a street car lol. It's much more of a pain in the butt since I need to drive it everyday.
I probably would stop when you start going over in your head you could save 50 lbs by hacking off a leg.....

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FWIW: My '97 in "ready to race" trim weighs 3670 lbs with a half tank of fuel and no driver. This is with full interior and A/C, but everything out of the trunk and Mark VIII aluminum spares with skinny drag tires on the front. The car now has an aluminum block engine and fiberglass hood, but the SVO blower, chassis stiffeners, etc added mass. For comparison, the car weighed 3780 when new.
I would have thought you'd be lighter!

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I probably would stop when you start going over in your head you could save 50 lbs by hacking off a leg.....



I would have thought you'd be lighter!
or a gallbladder, or pancreas (sp), etc

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This thread could use some updating again.
It sure could.
Has anybody managed to get close to, or under 3000 lbs with their Tbird?
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