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Slimming your car down

I have been reading several different websites and compiling information that was consistantly reported. If I was leary about the information I didn't use it. I originally was searching for my own purposes and realized there wasn't really a one stop place for all this information, so I decided to do something for my community. If there is any major discrepencies please let me know and I will adjust. Also I am sure there is some things I have missed or couldn't find, so I would appreciate that information as well.


Spare Tires
-Stock steel T-Bird doughnut 27lbs
-Mark 8 alluminum spare 18lbs
-Mark 8 alluminum spare WITHOUT Tyre 10lbs


Drive Shaft
-Stock T-bird/Cougar driveshaft 21.5lbs
-Mark 8 Driveshaft 14lbs

Differential
-Stock Iron T-bird/Cougar 3.27 trac lock pumpkin 80lbs
-FRPP 3.73 trac lock pumpkin 62lbs

Engines
-Explorer/Mountaineer complete aluminum 4.6 100lbs lighter
-96+ Romeo iron blocks: 154lbs, fully assembled 500lbs
-96-99 cobra / 93-98 mark 8 Teksid block: 85.40lbs, fully assembled 425lbs
-2001+ WAP block (NA Cobra) 80.40lbs

-Early cast crank = 46lbs (93 and 97 tested)
-Late cast crank = 44lbs (2002 tested)

-2V heads = 46lbs each
-4V B Heads = 60lbs each

-2V Plastic PI Intake = 12lbs
-2V Bullitt Intake = 37lbs

-Cast iron flywheel = 21lbs
-Spec Aluminum dual pattern flywheel = 12lbs


Doors
-Stock T-bird door 70lbs
-Fiberglass T-bird door 17lbs

Battery
-Stock T-Bird/Cougar 48lbs
-Optima Red Top 33lbs
-Odessey battery 12lbs

Hood
-Stock Hood 58lbs
-Fiberglass Hairyglass hood 18lbs

Trunk lid
-Stock T-bird deck lid 37lbs
-Fiberglass Hairyglass deck lid 9lbs

Lower Rear Control A-arms
-Stock A arms 27lbs (each side)
-Aluminum A arms 14lbs (each side)

Seats
-Electric Seats w/leather 56lbs
-Manual Cloth 30lbs

Engine Cradle
-Stock MN12 cradle ***lbs
-Tubular cradle ***lbs

Brake Calipers (unloaded)
-Stock Front non-sport 8.75 lbs (each side)
-Stcok Front Sport 8.3 lbs (each side)
-Stock Rear Sport and non-sport 9.2 lbs (each side)
-PBR GT Front 10.4 lbs (each side)
-Brembo Cobra R Front 8.4 lbs (each side)


Brake Rotors
-Stock Front non-sport 15.7 lbs (each side)
-Stock Front Sport 17.5 lbs (each side)
-Stock Rear Sport and non-sport 9.6 lbs (each side)
-Brembo GT Front Slotted/Vented 15 lbs (each side)
-Brembo 13” Front Slotted/Vented 18.6 lbs (each side)




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some of those numbers dont sound right, and the cradle is nowhere near 250, in fact the tubular one listed would weigh more than the actual stock one

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some of those numbers dont sound right, and the cradle is nowhere near 250, in fact the tubular one listed would weigh more than the actual stock one
Untill verified, I will take it out. Thanks.

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'94 Electric Red T-bird LX V-8- 212,000 miles- SOLD
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i believe stock mn12 angine cradle without suspension just bare cradle is about 50-60 lbs.

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The stock front K-member, with the LCA's and strut rods still attached weighs 82 lbs.

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Are those arms an economical weight loss with the cost of those spring perches that are custom parts? I have thought about buying them though, but the cost of the spring perches seems prohibitive.

Spinning pies like wheels.

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A stock ''94-'95 model hood is 74 lbs,and the '96-'97 is 75lbs. Both measured without the hood liner.
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In time, I can get you the weight of the stock spring/shock combo, and the weight of the QA1 coilover combo.

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sometime this week i'll have the seat tracks out of my car, i'll try to weigh the electric and manual one


honestly i dont see it being more than 5-10lbs, i held a both types on each arm, wasnt much difference

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Where would one get the "aluminum a-arms"?
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rear lower control arms, stock and mark 8?
two piece rotors (aluminum hat)?
forged aluminum wheels?
manual steering rack (no more pump)?
removing front and rear bumpers (metal)?

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Are the stock fan blades heavy?

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Anyone want to venture a guess at what the whole of the dash assembly weighs? Unfortunately, I took mine out in peices with cutting tools. I should have wighed it. I would guess that it's a 100lb unit.
Also intesting to see would be fold-down vs regualr rear seats, exhaust systems, sound systems, carpets and plastic, etc.
I dont suppose anyone was diligent enough to collect all of the sound deadener and weigh it? Mine was mostly turned to dust.

"Keep making it thinner until it breaks, then go one size bigger."
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Are the stock fan blades heavy?
no......my stock fan blades with et drags weigh as much as my brothers weld drag lites with 275/50/15's drag radials.

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Anyone want to venture a guess at what the whole of the dash assembly weighs? Unfortunately, I took mine out in peices with cutting tools. I should have wighed it. I would guess that it's a 100lb unit.
Also intesting to see would be fold-down vs regualr rear seats, exhaust systems, sound systems, carpets and plastic, etc.
I dont suppose anyone was diligent enough to collect all of the sound deadener and weigh it? Mine was mostly turned to dust.
I'm in the process of taking out all the sound deadener, by heating it up and scraping it out....I'm throwing it all into a box, and will weigh it when done.

Also, the dash is not a 100 lbs....I my self can take the dash in and out of the car myself, if it was a 100lbs, I don't think I could.

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Also, the dash is not a 100 lbs....I my self can take the dash in and out of the car myself, if it was a 100lbs, I don't think I could.
Not just the structure, though. Does yours have all of the HVAC and stereo stuff in it? You may still be right. Weigh it if you can, I'd be interested to confirm.

If my fuzzy math is right, I should be under 3000lb once the glass is replaced with Lexan....not counting the weight of the cage.

"Keep making it thinner until it breaks, then go one size bigger."
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Not just the structure, though. Does yours have all of the HVAC and stereo stuff in it? You may still be right. Weigh it if you can, I'd be interested to confirm.

If my fuzzy math is right, I should be under 3000lb once the glass is replaced with Lexan....not counting the weight of the cage.
thats without the stereo/airbag/vents/glovebox.....so you might be right then....

The weight is great!
Same here though, I'm hoping to be under 3000 myself, but that with all the glass, stock hood, cast iron heads and intake....but no cage, yet

Last time it was 3080 with me out of the car, and since then, I've done a bunch more weight removal..

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Last time it was 3080 with me out of the car, and since then, I've done a bunch more weight removal..
Do tell!? I need to weigh mine, I've taken all of the big crap out, everything the car doesn't need to go and stop. Maybe I'm better off than I thought.

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Do tell!? I need to weigh mine, I've taken all of the big crap out, everything the car doesn't need to go and stop. Maybe I'm better off than I thought.
well, recently, I've been dissecting all the unnecessary wires...I'm gutting the doors, taking out all the power window crap, cutting the inner door material out, removing all power lock stuff....replacing the inside door skin with very thin sheet metal...beleive it or not, the wiring in the car adds up a ton, but since its a track only car, and carbed, I can take out a bunch of wires I don't need....only wires that are going to be left are for lights, brakes and blinkers(in case I drive down the road for a bit).
I'm removing all the sound deadening, cutting away unnecessary panels(like where the rear side speakers mount), I know its not a whole lot of weight, but it adds up over time.
I'm probably not removing as much weight as I'm thinking, its just very time consuming, and it feels like it should be more than I'm doing.
I'm also moving my battery back up front with a lighter weight one, and taking out the huge 1/0 power cable I had running from front to back.

hope this helps, as I'm sure you've done most of this already...

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I've done all of that. I searched back and read some of your stuff, and I'm thinking I've removed more at this point than you have. You've gotten me very optimistic about my weight. You've removed some suspension stuff that I still need, though.

I wasn't careful with my wires....as a result I not only took out 15lb of wire, but also my 50lb TEVES braking system. I ate the harness and fudged the system. Rather than try to rewire, I just went with a booster and master cylinder. The TEVES ABS unit is a PIG!

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Anyone weigh the Tbird badge vs. the Cougar badge? /smarta$$

Nice list, though. The steel spare really weighs 27 lbs?

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the stock 96 hood was 60 pounds and my cobra r hood was 30
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Are the stock fan blades heavy?
Does anyone know the actual weight on these?

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Anyone weigh the Tbird badge vs. the Cougar badge? /smarta$$

Nice list, though. The steel spare really weighs 27 lbs?
cougar badge is lighter

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