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post #61 of 90 (permalink) Old 08-06-2014, 08:27 AM
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I'll share my experiences with this mod.

I did this mod on both my 98 MarkVIII, and my 90 SC. The MarkVIII had a much shorter hose due to the placement of the power steering pump, and it worked great at first, but periodically it would loosen up and start leaking, and I could never figure out why.

My SC had a power steering leak from the day I got it. I was a little hesitant to do this mod due to my previous experience with the Lincoln, but after replacing the line with the stock aftermarket, the fittings on the rack, the return line, blowing out the aftermarket pressure line, and deleting the power steering cooler cause that was leaking, I went with this. After the install, everything was great for about 2 weeks, then it started leaking again. I tightened the line up again, and basically every 2 weeks it would loosen up and start leaking again, and then eventually the braided stainless line itself blew out. What I found was happening was that once the line is tightened to the adapter fittings, there is no way for it to swivel, and the vibration and twisting of the motor would actually twist the line and loosen the adapter fitting out of the rack, causing a leak. I was so frustrated with this leak that I was to the point of converting the car to manual steering, but before I did, I decided to take this whole assembly to a local hose shop and get their input. They made up a regular rubber hose for me to replace the braided stainless one, and gave me some steel adapter fittings that seal with rubber O-rings instead of the teflon washer. Also, the fittings on the new line still allow it to swivel even when it is tightened up on the fitting. Total cost for the line and 2 fittings was $34, it installed the same as the braided stainless line, and now I finally have no power steering leak. The Lincoln is currently off the road, but before it goes back on the road, it will be getting the braided stainless line removed and replaced with another rubber line just like the one I got for the SC.

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Woah I knew you were having issues with the SCs power steering but damn! I'm surprised to hear you blew out the braided hose since the high pressure rated ones are used for brake hoses as well. I here you on the swivel, it seems to only be there to allow it to face one direction while you tighten in another, once it's tight it's stuck.

I bet you're right about the movement of the motor and the vibration being a big contributing cause, especially on the SC since the V6 is inherently rougher. My experience was that the adapter fitting itself was loosening up from the pump with the hose fitting still fully seated, granted my double nylon washer/spacer treatment didn't exactly help but what happened with mine was the sway bar would slightly nudge the hose and twist the 45* fitting lefty/loosey occasionally - had I known the SC/Addco sway bars were different at the time I probably would have actually used a 90* at the pump and the 45* on the rack so the line would go OVER the bar rather than under - The rack side always stayed in place though but then again I left the factory elbow in place with an adapter fitting on it, and I think the factory elbow actually does use an O-Ring to the rack rather than the teflon washer as well, so it makes sense that's what the shop set up for you.

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My MarkVIII always loosened at the pump side, and the SC always loosened at the rack side, and yes just like you, the adapter fitting loosened up, but the AN side to the line stayed tight. I also have the factory fittings in the rack with the adapter screwed into that. The braided line blowing, I don't know if it was a production flaw, or if it was rubbing on something while driving, or what, but it popped a hole right in the side! I still have it in the garage, so I'll snap a pic of it when I get home.

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Yeah pics would be great, my bet is it probably rubbed the sway bar, mine was always a bit close for comfort so I slipped on some convoluted tubing over the braid to help protect it. Now I kinda wish I would have used thread locker on the adapter to pump threads.

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Here's the line...


Here's a close-up of where it blew out. No signs of rubbing that I can see


And here is the new fitting that I got that seals with an O-ring

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Yeah that doesn't look like a rub through to me either, almost looks like it was twisted.

Do you know who makes those fittings? those look much more stout than my Russels(are they steel?). on the 4.6 pump it looks like you'll still have to cut it down a bit for the threads to clear the pump orifice.

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Yes they are steel, and while I don't know who makes them, I can easily get more if you want them. I actually have a 4.6 power steering pump in the garage, so I can check to see if it would need to be cut down.

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Well hopefully the ones I just installed hold up, but if I need to pull them off later I'll keep it in mind. Right now I'm sick to death of this unexpected little project, I just spent the last two hours redoing the low pressure lines, ugh

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Well I just found out something irritating, after filling the system and bleeding, the leak I had always been under the impression was coming from the old mismatched adapter fittings, may in reality have been coming from the pump shaft seal upon closer inspection. I thought it was odd that there was already a drip coming from the pressure line since I didn't even start the engine yet, and low and behold a trail of PS fluid behind the pulley, a trail that instantly comes back after wiping it down


So about that manual steering...

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For those of us that have a leaky pump elbow fitting, but don't want to drop the rack to install the other end of this mod:

How about cutting the line before the power steering pump elbow and somehow adapting the line to connect to only the pump side of this mod?

I don't know much about adapting high pressure lines to work without leaking. Could someone more knowledgeable show how this could be done?

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So, I'm thinking about doing this on my 93 LX with the 5.0 (not 5.0 anymore but anyway). It seems like the adapter fittings from the 94-95 Mustang would work in my case. They use the same pump and I can't imagine that the fittings on the rack would be that different. What is the contraption that sticks out of the side of the pump? It also appears to be have an electrical connection to the pump and that contraption and I don't remember what that is for anymore either.

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That's the EVO actuator


Just to update, three weeks later my new fittings are leak free.

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EVO?

I need a bit more enlightenment.

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Electronic variable orifice, it reduces steering power boost as speed increases.

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OK, I remember now.

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Ok, so this is just to shorten the line? What does this actually improve and is this worth it? It looks like a fun project, and it looks efficient, but if it only works for a short period of time then I might need to consider other future options. What all does this benefit and has it caused any other device damage?

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It's shorter and all in all it's as much or cheaper than the stock replacement. Madmikey is the only one I know with a line failure like that, I had issues with the fittings due to using the wrong adapters but that seems to be solved now. There's no device damage, just cut down the threads on the pump adapter so the EVO orifice remains exposed within the pump and all is well.

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So, what all are the benefits, other then saving money in the future?

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I think the benefits is not having a leaking hose.
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The benefit is simply that it's shorter. A possible side benefit is that it keeps potential leaks away from the strut rod bushings, which the stock lines run directly over and if leaking onto them can accelerate their deterioration.

I personally like it simply because I'm using universal parts that are easily replaced and am not at the mercy to Ford or the ever crappier aftermarket for OE replacements. And my K member is super clean!

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I'm interested in it because I have a leak again and I may have a failed hose. In fairness the car has been sitting for 6+ years and I think that most of my hoses are in trouble but since I've lost most of my PS fluid I figured it would be a good time to move to a different setup.

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OK, I'm looking at doing this. I'm confused a bit by your list. Do you need this:
1 ea. OMEGA 1502 Steering Pressure Hose
2 ea. Russell AN to Metric Adapter Fittings 670530 -6AN
1 ea. ~18-24" -6AN hose with 90 degree connectors

or this:

2 ea. OMEGA 1502 Steering Pressure Hose
2 ea. Russell AN to Metric Adapter Fittings 670530 -6AN
1 ea. ~18-24" -6AN hose with 90 degree connectors

The pictures don't seem to line up with the second one.


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Due to how the 5.0HO is laid out, it uses some slightly different parts.

After doing mine, I can say that you CAN use a pair of 90 degree fittings.

I used a 90 at the rack and a 45 at the pump - which fits, and works well, but a pair of 90s would be better.

I used one of these at the rack for a new elbow, one of these for the AN-6 adapter, and one of these at the pump. Two of the first would fit. I used a pair of these for the adapters. I used 24" of hose, but as the pics below show, something more like 16" would fit better (straight up and down).

I ran it in the middle of the A/C manifold so as to help keep it from shaking into the manifolds, but I may have been paranoid about that.

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45* fitting:


90* fitting:


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Bit of clarification (getting ready to do this on my SC).

Blue fittings 670530, go in to the EVO and Rack (replacing OEM line ) with only EVO fitting needing to be cut down?

All of this can be done with rack and engine still in the car?

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Bit of clarification (getting ready to do this on my SC).

Blue fittings 670530, go in to the EVO and Rack (replacing OEM line ) with only EVO fitting needing to be cut down?

All of this can be done with rack and engine still in the car?
That's correct; if you go too deep with the EVO fitting, it trashes the pump.

It's not exactly easy, because of the rack end; I used two crows foot wrenches to break loose the fittings, then hand loosened them.

BTW, I had to yank the oil filter for room to work; be prepared.

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I'd have a look at the threads in the pump if you can, the reason I had to cut down the adapter is the 4.6 pumps have a hole milled into the middle of the threads that will be blocked by the fitting if left unmodified. I don't know if SC pumps are the same way or not.

I was able to do mine with the filter in place, I can get to the rack elbow to line fitting from the top(wedging my arms between the fuse box and such).

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So the list at the beginning of this thread is updated and correct? Because as I read through it I see 2 90° elbows would be better than 1 90° elbow and 1 45° elbow. Do I have to shave the Russell adapters down that are on that list or different ones mentioned in the thread? Just want to be sure because I have all the parts mentioned in the list in my cart at Summit. Also how many of each?
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Yes the list is up to date with the correct parts. There's 2 adapter fittings, one at the pump and one at the rack elbow, the adapter going into the power steering pump is the only one of the two that needs to be cut down (due to our pump's EVO orifices).


Ralph found 2 90*s would be ideal for his setup, but note that his Cougar has the 5.0, with a totally different placement of the pump than the 4.6. I and most 4.6 users use a STRAIGHT hose end at the rack with a 45* swivel end on the pump, which is currently what the article covers.

I haven't tried it but I think a 45* at the rack and a 90* at the pump could work too, just eyeballing that possibility though. That way the line could theoretically go over the sway bar rather than under it.

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Ok cool thanks for the help Matt.
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I've done this. I finally got the rack changed and all of the associated hoses and fittings changed but I can't seem to get the fitting that plugs into the EVO to stop leaking. I've replaced the teflon seal twice now and all of my fluid just leaks out of the pump.

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Trick Flow Street Heat Intake
Mac 1 5/8 long tube headers
FRPP 42# injectors
3.73 gears
Custom aluminum driveshaft
Built Darrin/dirtyd0g AOD with wide ratio gearset
dirtyd0g 9.5" Custom Torque Converter
Quarterhorse ECM from Moates
Zeitronix ZT-2 WB O2
No times under new system.......yet.
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