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Suspension/Steering: Converting the high pressure power steering line to -AN

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It looks like you retained the factory rack fitting elbows(the ones known to leak sometimes), is that true? My HP line has a ever so slight leak, not even drops just the line get oily every few months. For all the newish people why dont you show them the factory convoluted line you replaced. Preferably the old one from your car since most are going to look like that one, dirty and oily.

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I'm going to replace those two fittings at the rack itself, since they can leak in two spots.
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I'm going to replace those two fittings at the rack itself, since they can leak in two spots.
I was talking to dirtydog a couple days ago and he was throwing around the idea of making some SS power steering lines. I really hope he was thinking of incorporating that idea into it. Right now mine are fine but if you for any reason bump them too hard they can and will leak. I'd like to see what you use GM. I was even dreaming about welding in new motor mount perch that allows more access to the fittings in case of servicing. Think about it no ford goofball fitting and the possibility to put some real wrench on it. Maybe its not worth the effort but hey one can dream. Id like to replace the factory return line as well but I dont know what the cooler end fitting is going to be. Just ditching that long retarded factory line is really cool though. XRX4.6 is awesome for showing off the pics.

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Replacing the 90 degree elbow is a PITA, I ended up folding mine over since it was soo flimsy and old. It is possible to change that fitting without dropping the rack or pulling the motor, it takes alot of paitence. If anyone decides to replace their stock PS lines with AN line I suggest replacing that elbow going into the rack. It's about 80 bucks from Ford. Glad your lines worked out Matt, they look great!

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It's about 80 bucks from Ford.
$80? Can it be purchased from someone else?
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Nope, dealer only item last time I checked. I'll see if i can find the part number for the elbow

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looks good Matt!

now, see if yall can help me with this one. I want to loop my two lines together, which eliminates the pump. I would like to adapt or just make a line where both these two are cut.





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Replacing the 90 degree elbow is a PITA, I ended up folding mine over since it was soo flimsy and old. It is possible to change that fitting without dropping the rack or pulling the motor, it takes alot of paitence. If anyone decides to replace their stock PS lines with AN line I suggest replacing that elbow going into the rack. It's about 80 bucks from Ford. Glad your lines worked out Matt, they look great!
yup, way too expensive, when an AN setup is the same if not cheaper. My rack is off the car, so it won't be too bad to set it up. Simply gonna use a 90° or maybe a 135° -6AN fitting in place of it.
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The trick with the -AN 90* fitting at the rack will be clearance as usual. You would something like this (in place of the straight hose end) which would require the hose to be attached while tightening it to the adapter at the rack(the adapter will be the same). Definitely possible but definitely still a pain.

Splattered, I added a pic of the stock line and a description to the original post

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Awesome job Matt! I will definitely be doing this when I put the new motor and trans in.

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I'm doing this mod; man, this hose looks short, compared to the original.

Has anyone had any problems with this mod?

EDIT: Mod is done; Finally does not leak.

I had to use one of the teflon seals from a steering pump kit I have to make the adapter seal to the pump.

Also, 10" is pretty short; I'd go with 12". We call that "Tennessee size" down here...

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My power steering pump is now making noise proportional to engine speed; I'm thinking trapped air somewhere, or possibly the fluid-soaked belt slipping. I soaped the belt, and rinsed it.

Any thoughts?

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When installing the adapter to the power steering pump, be sure not to overtighten it. There is a small plastic lip inside that if damaged will let the adapter fully seat and restrict flow. IF this happens don't fret, M14 nylon oil plug washers make for good leak free spacers...



Do you think this could be the cause of an extremely loud steering pump, full assist, and pulsating steering?

It's a new pump, maybe 20k miles, and was fine before I replaced the line...

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I'm thinking so, that lip below the threads if too far in will block one of the orifices in the pump, which I believe might be for EVO. That's why I spaced it out with the washers.

I've been meaning to try this style adapter: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/RUS-670530/?rtype=10

These use a Teflon seal like the factory line and are likely meant for our style systems.

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I'm thinking so, that lip below the threads if too far in will block one of the orifices in the pump, which I believe might be for EVO. That's why I spaced it out with the washers.

I've been meaning to try this style adapter: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/RUS-670530/?rtype=10

These use a Teflon seal like the factory line and are likely meant for our style systems.
We'll find out; I just ordered two from Summit tonight.

I think flow is restricted at the elbow fitting; I'll know by Saturday afternoon, lol.

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I'm thinking so, that lip below the threads if too far in will block one of the orifices in the pump, which I believe might be for EVO. That's why I spaced it out with the washers.

I've been meaning to try this style adapter: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/RUS-670530/?rtype=10

These use a Teflon seal like the factory line and are likely meant for our style systems.
Yep, that adapter corrects the issue.

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After much frustration, I finally have this drivable.

As usual, I made this much more difficult than it needed to be.

The blue adapter is still too long; it has to have the thick washer as you showed, or it hits inside the steering pump. The other end is fine.

I damaged my steering pump with the Aerotech fittings; they are definitely too long. This was the source of my noise. Pieces rubbing the rotor, lol.

The length is too short at 10" of tubing; 12" worked better. I think I have a collapsed motor mount as well.

I fixed the pump, and all is well.

Does anyone have a partnumber on the OEM teflon steering-tube-nut seals?

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If you are talking about those white teflon seals that go on the lines at the rack and at the pump, I always just buy the dorman kit they sell at the parts store. The nearest Ford dealer is 30 miles from me each direction. The dorman box has one large and one slightly smaller seal. I practically never use the smaller one.

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After much frustration, I finally have this drivable.

As usual, I made this much more difficult than it needed to be.

The blue adapter is still too long; it has to have the thick washer as you showed, or it hits inside the steering pump. The other end is fine.

I damaged my steering pump with the Aerotech fittings; they are definitely too long. This was the source of my noise. Pieces rubbing the rotor, lol.

The length is too short at 10" of tubing; 12" worked better. I think I have a collapsed motor mount as well.

I fixed the pump, and all is well.

Does anyone have a partnumber on the OEM teflon steering-tube-nut seals?
So for clarification what fitting did you use at the pump? Also how thick of a nylon washer needs to be used? Could you get away with using one of those bluish-purple nylon drain plug gaskets?

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So for clarification what fitting did you use at the pump? Also how thick of a nylon washer needs to be used? Could you get away with using one of those bluish-purple nylon drain plug gaskets?
I'll post up a pic of the marks on the adapters I used; that's pretty descriptive.

It looks like the pump side needs about 6mm ground off the steering pump end of the fitting. I'll eventually need to revisit this, and I'll use the existing marks as a guide.

I'm talking about the blue fittings in my post above, part numbers are referenced in this thread.

The big thing to take away from this is: Don't go any deeper than factory.

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Yeah dont go deeper than factory is right! I went through 2 pumps before I realized I went too far down hahaha

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Drove Lazarus home today with no power steering.

(Man, am I a wuss... Gonna have to hit the weights, lol.)

Blew replacement hose (non-an, auto store type) today.
This was the last thing I tried to fix the noise; it didn't leak, so I left it.

I dropped it at a friends shop for a rack + pump; 100 miles on a steering pump + with no fluid has to be bad for it.
I'm conceding defeat; I'll have someone the car isn't mad at to fix it.

Even tho it's mad at me, this is the third time I've broken this car and it made it home...

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Just bought the parts to do this to my car. Ill post pics. SO is anyone going to grind their fitting down first? I'd rather just get a washer. Is this something I can find at autozone or O rly's or NAPA, and maybe home depot.

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Yep, that adapter corrects the issue.
Not exactly... but maybe still worth buying as its cheaper. oh well 4 bucks down the drain. Earls are nice anyway.

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Not exactly... but maybe still worth buying as its cheaper.
It's been working just fine for me for quite some time.

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It's possible the depth is different between the various makes of fittings. Some might block the orifaces in the pump others might not.

I used a pair of m14 nylon oil plugs from autozone or something. There's a slight weep from it but not enough to effect the fluid level by much in the last few months.

When I go to the "right" adapter with mine eventually I'll probably sandwitch the dorman teflon seals between a M14 steel washer from the hardware store.

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It's possible the depth is different between the various makes of fittings. Some might block the orifaces in the pump others might not.

I used a pair of m14 nylon oil plugs from autozone or something. There's a slight weep from it but not enough to effect the fluid level by much in the last few months.

When I go to the "right" adapter with mine eventually I'll probably sandwitch the dorman teflon seals between a M14 steel washer from the hardware store.
What about using some kind of rtv between the washers to prevent leaks? Which kind would work? I have grey and copper to choose from lol.

What about just grinding the fitting down? I have a bench grinder just want to know if the fitting would get ruined by jsut grinding it down 6mm or so. I wish I had it in my hand to know for sure but its going to be few days before it gets here. I guess Ill use the high temp copper I have to just be sure nothing gets out.

Oh yeah Im also interested knowing where to get those teflon seals if someone could be kind enough to provide that.

Spinning pies like wheels.

DD driving my 20 year old project

Now with new ball joints...again

Last edited by Splattered; 10-27-2011 at 11:36 PM.
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Looking at that - may it not be better to use a M14 washer between the two nylon seals, so they have something to seal against?

Just thinking aloud here.

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