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Question about Ford keys.

Since I bought my Cougar, I never had a key to lock/unlock the doors from the outside; I always had to use the keypad.

A while back, when I ordered a new ignition lock and cylinder, naturally I got a new key. I notice that only the first half inch or so from the tip of the key is cut, while the rest is blank.

Would I be correct in assuming that this is how one Ford key is cut for use in more than one lock - by making the individual cut sequences in different spots along the length of the key?



If this is true, it should be possible to get this key cut for use in my doors as well, yes?

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You are correct. That style of key has 10 separate cuts. Positions 1 through 4, and 6, are for the ignition tumbler, and 5 as well as 7 - 10 do the doors.

So if you provided an old key for them to measure, or the key code for the vehicle, they could have ordered you the correct ignition tumbler that would allow your old door code to be cut in to the new key. There are 5 choices for the igntion cylinder, depending on your original key code. If they didn't have the code, you have a 20% chance of being able to do it.


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Hi Ed,
Last week I ordered new ignition lock and cylinder from my local ford dealer. And ive been there 3 times now and they don’t have a clue on how to cut a damn key to math my doors. They tried and every time it doesn’t work at all. Worst of all, at first they tried with a 8 cuts. I'm impressed.
This is in Moncton, NB.
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I can cut by VIN.

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So Ed,

Does this mean I have a 20 percent chance of starting your car with my key?



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You are correct. That style of key has 10 separate cuts. Positions 1 through 4, and 6, are for the ignition tumbler, and 5 as well as 7 - 10 do the doors.

So if you provided an old key for them to measure, or the key code for the vehicle, they could have ordered you the correct ignition tumbler that would allow your old door code to be cut in to the new key. There are 5 choices for the igntion cylinder, depending on your original key code. If they didn't have the code, you have a 20% chance of being able to do it.


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Hi Ed,
Last week I ordered new ignition lock and cylinder from my local ford dealer. And ive been there 3 times now and they don’t have a clue on how to cut a damn key to math my doors. They tried and every time it doesn’t work at all. Worst of all, at first they tried with a 8 cuts. I'm impressed.
This is in Moncton, NB.

There are instructions in the package with the new ignition cylinder, as well as on the computer parts catalogue. I'd suggest trying another dealer ...


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When I went to get an ignition cylinder for my '95 Mark VIII, it ended up being cheaper to buy the 'set' (door and ignition cyl.) than just getting the ign, and no fuss with matching them either

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I can cut by VIN.
That's what I was gonna say, just cut it off the VIN. Might have 2 different keys, but hey they both do something.
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i just ran into a similar problem and was wondering if you guys could help me out, my igintion just went out, i can start the car, but i cant shut it off, the key just turns back and forth with no resistance, and if i try to put the car in gear it will die.
now, using the information on this post i pulled out the ignition key tumbler? the part that the key turns, now i was wondering, what should i be looking for, i noticed what was looking like a broken piece of plastic in there, but it got dark outside and i had to call it a nigth.
what parts do i need to order?
im not exactly car savy, but i aint no dummy, it just takes me 3 hours to do something that you guys can do blindfolded.
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I can cut by VIN.
not on a 1990 , 1996.5 + you can and my 1996 f150 isnt recorded either

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ok, i pulled the switch out from the bottom and tried just moving that silver lever around, now i can start, idle and shut off the car just using that switch and not a key, now my question is how is the arm mechanism supposed to work? it dosnt seem to move the switch back and forward like it should, just forward.
is the switch supposed to be springloaded?
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i can start the car, but i cant shut it off, the key just turns back and forth with no resistance, and if i try to put the car in gear it will die.
now, using the information on this post i pulled out the ignition key tumbler? the part that the key turns, now i was wondering, what should i be looking for, i noticed what was looking like a broken piece of plastic in there, but it got dark outside and i had to call it a nigth.

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Humbugy. This is a common problem. Try a search on the topic.
A small rack and pinion set up that connects the motion of rotating the key to sliding an ignition switch often breaks.

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If its that important you can have a locksmith cut one for you but it aint cheap.

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All you have to do is provide the old key and the new key that came with the new switch to any competent lock smith and he will cut one side with the new and one side with the old. He put a notch on my key so I can tell at a glance or by feel which side has to be up to go in the locks.

Cost me $2.00 plus what ever the switch was at Auto Zone.

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it is indeed the pin between the two said arms, however i lack the tools to pull of my steering wheel to replace it, its kinda of annoying really, that teeny weeny pin screwed everything up....
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I've never had a trunk key for my car.

Does this theroy apply, or is that a totally differnt key???

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Instrument cluster swap question...

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A wire normally connect to pin 32 or 34 on the computer is not connected, because I have a CARBURETOR 3.8liter, the DTE function seems work, but it's probably an internal function, but what I will do to connect this wire (maf or map) or something like this I dont have on My bitd?...

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you can start other ford cars with that key did it before
one thing about those ignition locks is that they suck
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So how did you start your car without a key to get in? and I have also unlocked/started my friends ranger with my old key that was the original and well worn.

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So what are the chances of taking the new igntion lock key and just cutting the door parts into the key and the key working? Also am I reading this correctly. I have a 1 out of 5 chance to get the right lock from the parts store that my key would work? If that is the case I sound just order in a bunch of locks at work and find the one my old key works and trade mine in for that one.
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So what are the chances of taking the new igntion lock key and just cutting the door parts into the key and the key working? Also am I reading this correctly. I have a 1 out of 5 chance to get the right lock from the parts store that my key would work? If that is the case I sound just order in a bunch of locks at work and find the one my old key works and trade mine in for that one.
Just take the old key and the new key to the lock smith. He can cut one side for the door and one side for the ignition. My guy then cut a notch in the key so I can tell which side must be up to work.

Very simple.

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I totaly agree with you. The only problem is that the closest decnet locksmith that said he could do what I want is over an hour away. The local guys are both nope can't do a thing for you. The only other places that cut keys here is Wal-mart and ACE hardware. No to sure about ace but Wally town has a fully automated machine where ut cuts both sides a once. I've ordered in a 5 Igntion lock at work hopefully one of them or the one we keep in stock is the right one. Keeping fingers crossed.LOL
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I totaly agree with you. The only problem is that the closest decnet locksmith that said he could do what I want is over an hour away. The local guys are both nope can't do a thing for you. The only other places that cut keys here is Wal-mart and ACE hardware. No to sure about ace but Wally town has a fully automated machine where ut cuts both sides a once. I've ordered in a 5 Igntion lock at work hopefully one of them or the one we keep in stock is the right one. Keeping fingers crossed.LOL
The ACE guy should be able to do it.

Where in MO are you? I used to live in STL.

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