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Top of the pistons looks like sand-paper
They're phenolic, you know, like brake caliper pistons

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word to the wise. The TFS valve spring tool is USELESS with these Stage III springs. They are just too massive compared to stock. The curved "claw" on the TFS spring tool has absolutely no chance to get situated on the underside of the camshaft. Can't slide it under there because you're already trying to push against massive valve spring pressure.




So I copied a design I saw and whipped this up real quick today.




It's not finished though. I need to drill out 3 more holes and get some washers so as to be able to do 4 springs at a time. The two springs that are done I did with my old valve spring tool, the one that looks like a mini coil-spring compressor with the turn-handle on top. PITMFA.
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Wow! Those are massive springs!

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wow @ those springs

great build...I love following these

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yeah, those valves wont be floating any time soon your going to be able to rev the nuts off this motor. and their all pretty and shiny

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I'm missing something, are you trying to install those springs?? If so is there another part to that spring compressor you built? The angle looks like the bolt is pointing right at the tip of the valve, not seeing how you compress the springs like that... And not surprised about that goofy little compressor in my kit, didn't work very easily on the normal upgrade beehive springs I had in my heads. Luckily I only needed to mess with a couple for checking PTV cleanances. The springs your trying to use look like they belong on the suspension, good grief man.

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Glad to see there are people around that know how to properly assemble and engine . Being detailed and extremely clean in everything makes a big difference in HP/Torque and longevity of your build.
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Well now that makes total sense. The pic above doesnt show that round cup part of the equation, thats what I was missing. And for the record thats a million times better of a tool setup for swapping valve springs that that goofy TFS tool. And seeing the flat plate and drilling and tapping the holes, a way better alternative in my opinion, and by far cheaper. Good job man I'm impressed.

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yea it wasn't complete when I snapped that pic. Some of the angles are a bit off since I don't have a mill to cut a flat before drilling/tapping the angled bolt holes. I'm using washers under the plate to adjust the angle.

I had bought one of those TFS tools too, from MHS.

Anyone want a TFS valve spring tool for $20 shipped? works great on anything but these springs, lol.
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See I knew it, you was trying to intentionally confoose me, whats up with that man?? You checkin to see if I was payin attention, lol. You know you aint gonna trip me up on silliness like that.

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Any updates on the engine build?

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I had bought one of those TFS tools too, from MHS.

Anyone want a TFS valve spring tool for $20 shipped?

Works great on anything but these springs, lol.
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the update is that there is no update, lol. Still fighting the springs. The problem with my tool, I found, was since my angle was not dead on (I don't have access to a true mill), the constant turning of the bolt through the plate with a radial load on it caused metal shavings. It will compress the spring with the square tubing deal that I made alright, but I don't want to risk shavings working their way down into the bottom end.
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the update is that there is no update, lol. Still fighting the springs. The problem with my tool, I found, was since my angle was not dead on (I don't have access to a true mill), the constant turning of the bolt through the plate with a radial load on it caused metal shavings. It will compress the spring with the square tubing deal that I made alright, but I don't want to risk shavings working their way down into the bottom end.
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took a break from working on the engine. Needed to get outdoors now that the weather is semi-nice around here.

(This is/was a stock Mark VIII oil pan BTW)












who can tell what I'm doing?
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If I didn't know any better (which I don't) I'd say you were going to calculate the volume of that beastie.

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If I didn't know any better (which I don't) I'd say you were going to calculate the volume of that beastie.
that part is done (the calculating). But I meant the overall "goal" of this part of the build.
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Did you ever coat that pick up tube?

Don't forget to cauclulate for the reduced volume of lubricant caused by the area of the tube plus or minus .001 to .002 based on whether or not you coated it.

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Did you ever coat that pick up tube?

Don't forget to cauclulate for the reduced volume of lubricant caused by the area of the tube plus or minus .001 to .002 based on whether or not you coated it.
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.... reduced volume of lubricant.....
with this modification, that's the last thing I'll need to worry about
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8 Quart oil capacity ?
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ding! ding! ding!.......I'm going for 8+ qts.
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Going for 8+ qts AND keeping it all out of windage. Good stuff, GM.

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Going for 8+ qts AND keeping it all out of windage. Good stuff, GM.
Most importantly, its gonna be IN the oil pan where it is needed, not taking its sweet time on a merry-go-round cruise through hundreds of feet of remote oil filter hose, lol.
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The best theory is a deep sump.
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ding! ding! ding!.......I'm going for 8+ qts.
I'm a winner .. whats my prize ? Help with my math homework ?? LOL

Looks like a good design and your welding is better than most of what I have seen on this site.
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I'm a winner .. whats my prize ? Help with my math homework ?? LOL
yea sure; I ain't about to buy you a prize that's for sure

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Looks like a good design and your welding is better than most of what I have seen on this site.
Thanks, and that was with a POS harbor freight welder. I had it setup outside to demo it to a prospective buyer on video. Ending up finally selling it, lol.
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