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I'll get a wideband at some point, not sure if my Torque pro has it or not, I'll have to look into that.
I think the point I missed is that the Dyno tuner is going to get Very Close to perfect for your car; a "By Mail" tune is going to be an average, and nowhere near as close to 'perfect', and designed not to grenade your car under worst case conditions.

Not to say the Dyno tune is perfect, but you can Significantly adjust timing if you have wideband data and a dyno... with much Less Danger.
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I think the point I missed is that the Dyno tuner is going to get Very Close to perfect for your car; a "By Mail" tune is going to be an average, and nowhere near as close to 'perfect', and designed not to grenade your car under worst case conditions.

Not to say the Dyno tune is perfect, but you can Significantly adjust timing if you have wideband data and a dyno... with much Less Danger.
Oh I fully realize I'm leaving things on the table, but I'm hoping that the tune gets me most of the way there, then when I can afford a dyno tune, get the car scheduled up and take it in and leave with more power.
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Getting close!
Headers and Stage 8 locking bolts are installed.





Motor mounts, front cover, oil pan, etc coming up next. I realized I shouldn't have put the intake on, going to need to take it off to drop the engine in, but that's ok.

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Heh, I used the side of the block for a tool shelf too, you remember where your lost ones went when you turn it
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Heh, I used the side of the block for a tool shelf too, you remember where your lost ones went when you turn it
Yeah, I was careful. It was handy to catch the Stage 8 parts as I dropped them though.

Now, would you just look at that! Just look at it! Just look!


Didn't get the front cover on yet, but I did get the new front seal in (easy), and the cam and crank sensors (also easy with the front cover off) installed, and lined it up so I could see where I need to put the permatex black. There's one stud missing since I'm using the 97 front cover on the 03 block, but I know I can goop it up and it'll be fine.

My wife is off tomorrow, so if she takes a nap, it'll get fully dressed and ready to install. If she doesn't take a nap, next weekend.

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All dressed!


I have to clean out the oil pan and install that yet, but otherwise she's ready to drop in. I left the alternator off since I have to take the intake manifold off anyway, I was just mocking up the EGR to make sure it all fit with the headers.

Should be very soon!

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Wife took a nap I see! Looking good, thanks for the updates.

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Wife took a nap I see! Looking good, thanks for the updates.

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Yes, I made sure to tire her out so that I could get some work done.

Just have to wait on my friend to be available to help put it in. He has drill this coming weekend, next is Easter. Looks like I may or may not make the dyno day in Minneapolis.

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Engine going in next weekend!

Today's tasks are to plumb the cooling mod for 7 and 8 cylinders, install oil pan, cut exhaust pipe down tubes, and clean out the engine bay.

Got myself a 3/8" NPT tap, a 3/8 NPT to 5/8" hose barb, and a Tee fitting so I can tie the driver side into the passenger side which then goes to the heater core.

Here's the barb, screwed right in, put some thread sealant on it to prevent leaks.


My Tee fitting for the aux temp sensor that I previously had in directly in the upper radiator hose. I know it's not as "fast" as the front crossover, but it is still more accurate than the idiot light posing as a needle.


And finally the last Tee, where it all feeds into the upper radiator hose.


So I have the oil pan on too, waiting for my blood sugar to go up enough to go back out to the garage with the sawzall and cut the down tubes, then while I'm in there I'll clean out the engine bay. It's soaking in Simple Green as we speak.
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Nice! You're going to have so much fun with that engine.
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Nice! You're going to have so much fun with that engine.
I am very much looking forward to it!

Only issue is I (because I didn't think it through) didn't pull the dipstick out when I installed the oil pan, got it pinched, and broke the handle off it. Dropped the pan, pulled it out backwards, so now I need a new dipstick.

Ahh well. I'll head to the junkyard this week and pull one.

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Replace the dipstick tube gasket while you've got it out just to be on the safe side. Mine leaked after Rob did the original PI swap on my car.

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Key is to lube it on install, new or old (I tore 2 brand new O-rings doing this). Fun trivia, the O ring is the same as the one sealing the dipstick to the tube.

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The tube is fine, I just pinched the dipstick itself. I will get a new gasket for it though, thanks for the tip.

So where do I get a dipstick tube gasket? Auto parts store?

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It's just an O-ring, hardware stores will have it
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Thanks, I'll pull it this week and get one.

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What am I doing wrong here? Putting the engine in at a 45 degree angle, got the headers in their pocket, clear of the steering shaft, but every time I go to lower the motor down on the K member, the motor mounts hit on the back side of the K first and rotate outward.

So, how hard is it to drop the K in the driveway and get the car high enough up to lower it down onto the K?

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Load leveler? You should gradually level the engine out from the 45* angle as you clear the headers and whatnot, and then drop it the rest of the way, ideally perfectly level. What do you mean rotate outward? The motor mounts should be tight, they actually help "glide" the motor onto the K member in my experience.

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Load leveler? You should gradually level the engine out from the 45* angle as you clear the headers and whatnot, and then drop it the rest of the way, ideally perfectly level. What do you mean rotate outward? The motor mounts should be tight, they actually help "glide" the motor onto the K member in my experience.
I do have a load leveler, and that's what I was doing. I think you're on the right track if my mounts are too loose. Makes sense really, I had to take them off to get them impacted off since I don't have an impact. I'll figure out how to get them tighter and try again next time my buddy has a weekend off.

Thank you!

Got a torque spec for the motor mounts?

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