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Yup.

I'd like to add, if you use the PI tube from the mustang, only the stock tube needs to be cut and flared, just add the hose. If you use the crown vic PI tube, it needs to be cut and flared as well.

So if you can, get the mustang tube. I only mentioned the crown vic one because they are easy to find at yards

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I was able to get the old manifold off tonight, no thanks to the stupid EGR tube being in the way. Should take it off and have it out of the way or should I just work around it like I have been?

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I was able to get the old manifold off tonight, no thanks to the stupid EGR tube being in the way. Should take it off and have it out of the way or should I just work around it like I have been?
is that the hard tube going to the black rectangular box...or is it the hard tube going from the right side head to the intake tube?



also i see people going back and forth about the timing cover specifically with the 96/97 timing covers. now i see some people are saying you need the 94/95 then people saying longer bolts and then people saying you don't need didly...now im a bit confused. can i just use the stock timing with out longer bolts or what?

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Did the engine that was painted (Thunderchecken's Swap) have the Ford Explorer PI Intake Manifold?
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If the 02-05 explorer motor and the 99-04 mustang motor were both out the vehicle they would put out the SAME power. People think the explorer motor is slower than the mustang motor seeing how from the factory the explorer had 235ish horsepower and the mustang had 260. The ONLY reasons why the mustang had more is because of more aggressive ecu tuning and true dual exhaust. The explorers are underpowered ecu wise AND have single restrictive exhaust which has lots of bends. The only reason why its smarter to go with the explorer motor is cuz is about 90lbs+ lighter than an iron 4.6 ie: the mustang motor. The cranks on the explorers are designed after if not related to the lower end cobra blocks. Cobras and explorers are the ONLY 4.6 blocks with 6-bolt main crank caps to handle more abuse. The iron blocks have 4-bolt mains.



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im looking at swapping out the full motor and found the Explorer motor is ALOT cheaper then the mustang motor.. so in order to get the full 260hp out of the Explorer V8 all you need is free flowing exhaust and a tune?

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You will need a 94/95 v8 front timing cover seeing how one of the stud holes on the 96+ cover wont line up correctly or seal.
why cannt I use the front timing cover off the PI motor? clearance issues?

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okay, i been considering this swap, my question is, would the mustang blower bolt on into this or no? (the explorer engine)
they way i see it, if im going for it, might as well go all the way.
or are issues with that?
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im looking at swapping out the full motor and found the Explorer motor is ALOT cheaper then the mustang motor.. so in order to get the full 260hp out of the Explorer V8 all you need is free flowing exhaust and a tune?
Found this to be an extremely helpful post... A question I have, and I thought might be best addressed with the rest of this thread is,
"Do the later engine mod's harness wire into the big harness with the bolt together connector on the passenger side shock tower without modification?"

I apologize if this sounds like a dumb question, but I just replaced intake gaskets on my '95 4.6L due to coolant leaks, and thought an engine swap may be in my future due to certain obsolecence issues. I know from reading here that the upper components on the newer engines will have to be changed due to intake and throttle body differences. Is anyone aware of wiring issues for 95's wanting to use later model engines?

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says most of the stuf that needs to be changed over from npi engine
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PI Engine acquired, I'm just going to use the heads though. XR7-4.6 is getting the block.

I have the plastic intake w/ alum crossover as well as the other valve cover gasket, alt bracket, etc... it just isn't in this photo.

I'll see if I can add anything to the swap thread later on...

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PI Engine acquired, I'm just going to use the heads though. XR7-4.6 is getting the block.
thats what was said like two weeks ago.....lol
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thats what was said like two weeks ago.....lol
It was an adventure. I posted this pic of the engine because initially I tried to transport it in too small of a vehicle...this almost didn't happen but late last night we finally got the explorer up and running well enough to pick up the engine. I'm probably delirious after the several hour ordeal and I apologize for the double-post.

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I am so glad this thread was wrote.. Its gunna help me big time! I just pulled an 02 explorer motor for $500 after I test ran the motor! it ran great and can't wait to get it under the birds hood!

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Jamie I know you are going to have so much fun with your swap. LOL
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I am gunna have fun! All I need is a few more parts, and a little bit more money and its happenin! Lol

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I just have a quick question a 2005 expedition engine 4.6 Is p.I. and. If could fit in a 95 Thunderbird? ??
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You will need to use a different intake though. Not enough hood clearance for the one on any truck motors.
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ok is because I pull my engine out "thanks to a egr brass pipe I broke from the exhaust " so I decide to regasket the whole engine cuz is oily mess and I was reading about p.I. upgrades so I found a 05 expedition 4.6 in a local junkyard so do you think is a good choice?
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If I understand the question right.... yes, the expedition will give you a good block and heads. But you will need to find a PI intake from a car (or explorer) as the Expedition has a Truck intake that will not fit under your low hood.


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its a good choice I suppose.. Just get a mustang pi intake, throttle body/neck, 02gt or so intake tube, 02+gt MAF, use your oil pan, oil filter adapter, 94/5 timing cover, and check the timing chain guides/tensioners! They aren't the greatest on the newer modular motors!! I'm sure I'm missing a few bits of info.. But the other guys will help in with words lol

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Thanks guys I really appreciate all your help I was reading other posts about p.I. and I found the explorer. Engine is a aluminum block what is the advantage if I just get the heads and keep the iron block or what can I do to improve my stock heads this is the first time I tear apart a ford engine so any help is welcome I'm going to try to get a post of all my work with pictures as soon I found how to do it.
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The Aluminum Explorer engine is a complete PI engine. Its main advantage over other PI engines is that it is aluminum and therefore lighter. You can put PI heads on an iron NPI block. (My car is done that way) The advantage there is NPI block + PI heads = higher compression ratio. (you also won't need to swap out the front cover, won't need an engine hoist, etc.)


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Since this has to do with the Explorer swap I will keep it here. Its come along way from some of the older posts I've been reading on people wanting 300 rwhp and how difficult it can be to reach it without nos or FI. While that would be a nice number to acheive im not in a hurry to get there unlike the mistake I made with the failed DOHC swap I did. We had a weekend to get that one done with just a donar car and nothing else. Im starting with a 96/97 bird this time just to make it that much easier. The Explorer motor will most likely spend alot of time on the stand. I will even have a Birds harness pluged up to it before putting it in. This is gonna be my daily driver so reliability is my upmost concern so no half a$$ing on this one. Im doing whatever mods are easiest before the motor goes in so my question is about getting as close as I can to 300 if not reaching it with the Explorer motor as the starting platform. Most I've read has talked about using the original motor as the starting point. Anyone have a close guess with these following mods? Explorer motor 02-03, longtubes with 2.5 true duals x-pipe and no cats, 02 GT MAF, cams (your suggestions), good tune from Don, UD pullies, ported bullitt intake (if I can find one), CAI. Of course it will have some supporting mods such as 3200 tc, 3.90 gears with traclok, aluminum one peice ds and 02 GM trans as well as MSD ignition. Just like to hear your guys opinions. Thanks.
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Since this has to do with the Explorer swap I will keep it here. Its come along way from some of the older posts I've been reading on people wanting 300 rwhp and how difficult it can be to reach it without nos or FI. While that would be a nice number to acheive im not in a hurry to get there unlike the mistake I made with the failed DOHC swap I did. We had a weekend to get that one done with just a donar car and nothing else. Im starting with a 96/97 bird this time just to make it that much easier. The Explorer motor will most likely spend alot of time on the stand. I will even have a Birds harness pluged up to it before putting it in. This is gonna be my daily driver so reliability is my upmost concern so no half a$$ing on this one. Im doing whatever mods are easiest before the motor goes in so my question is about getting as close as I can to 300 if not reaching it with the Explorer motor as the starting platform. Most I've read has talked about using the original motor as the starting point. Anyone have a close guess with these following mods? Explorer motor 02-03, longtubes with 2.5 true duals x-pipe and no cats, 02 GT MAF, cams (your suggestions), good tune from Don, UD pullies, ported bullitt intake (if I can find one), CAI. Of course it will have some supporting mods such as 3200 tc, 3.90 gears with traclok, aluminum one peice ds and 02 GM trans as well as MSD ignition. Just like to hear your guys opinions. Thanks.
You'll have a hard time getting to 300rwhp with an Explorer block/heads without some kind of boost. You still have that DOHC around to use the Teksid block and lower end? Check out this article: http://modularheadshop.com/Articles/...2V%20combo.htm

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That I do Net. I was thinkin about that block but didnt know if the compression would be to high for a daily driver. That looked like a pretty good website as well. Thanks. I know I would have to run premium ut what about possible damage to anything when pushing it?
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That I do Net. I was thinkin about that block but didnt know if the compression would be to high for a daily driver. That looked like a pretty good website as well. Thanks. I know I would have to run premium ut what about possible damage to anything when pushing it?
If you have a good tune, you should be fine. You know the new Coyote 5.0L engines have 11:1 compression from the factory and claim to be safe to run on 87 octane!

If you build that Teksid bottom end with PI heads like in the article, you have to run aftermarket cams because that will lower the 'dynamic compression' because of the cam overlap. That's what makes it safe to run that higher compression on pump gas (with the tune, of course).

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Hey guys idk if this is a stupid question or not but ive been searching for two nights now i just havent scene a answere for it anywhere. I dont know much about transmissions, so what im asking is will the factoty 95 Tbird tranny work with the PI Explorer enginge swap? Thanks -Paul
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