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StupidFly, I read your 5.0L intake manifold info. Your telling me that the Cobra intake doesn't have a place for the EGR valve? Ok. When I first put my motor in my car, I had a Cobra intake. Also had a nice torque making cam. Which one I don't remember. 65mm T.B. Underdrive pulleys, which I still have. JBA headers that are gone also. Roller rockers and 3.73 gears. Due to some running issues, I had to take most of it off and go back stock. The only thing I kept is the roller rockers and underdrive pulleys. I don't remember if the Cobra had the EGR place or not. I want to say it does. I really can't remember.
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yeah, the Cobra manifold has a spot for the EGR valve... you should be able to see it in this pic:


I believe its the later explorer intakes that dont have the EGR valve... or something like that, I'll have to read that tech article again to be sure (been awhile since I wrote it)

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Ok that's good to know. I'm smog checked every year and really like to pass it. What is the advantage with the Cobra over the stock intake?
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the explorers do, its just on the elbow part where the t/b attaches

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If I go with anything, it will be the Cobra. I've been told that the Explorer will work. I don't know if the Explorer will do any better than stock. It is probably cheaper than a Cobra. Won't have to cut out braces with the Explorer.
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where did you hear that? the explorer is just as tall as the cobra , and its a good inch or so taller than a stock , it will make an improvment, its a gt40 intake in stock guise

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Really!?. I didn't know that. Does it prove any benefit to our cars? Whats better intake in the long run? If it truely is the same as a GT-40 intake then why don't we all have them? What year Explorer do I need to look for. Did they use a better one on some years than others? Do I need to change out fuel rails?
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96-01 . the best for the 5.0 cars is the gt/40, cobra, the actual gt40 has a differnent upper , but i cant imagine you lose that much with it. i was able to use the stock fuel rail ont he cobra and on the explorer, the actual lower look the identical , where the uppers are different

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They didn't use 4.6L's in the 96 - 01's? Check out my post about my codes I just got. It's in the EEC tuning section.
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no. they used 5.0s

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how do you remove the linkage on the throttle body for this swap?

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grind off the weld with a die grinder or cutoff wheel. be sure to put the spring back oon before you weld it back together.

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Finding one is the hard part. I've only seen them on the road. Never seen one in the junkyard. I'll keep looking though.
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you wont find one in a yard , you need to ebay one, or get ones from someone on corral . or there is a mustang salvage operation that advertises in the mustnag books .

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I'm not messing with it anymore. Compression test showed me that 3 cylinders are low. So I'm going to get rid of it. No more Tbird to harass me. I've had it with the Bird. I'll get back with yall on a price later.
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Man, that's too bad you're giving up on the bird. I get that way sometimes when stuff breaks.

Anyway, I'm wondering why nobody has ever put a fox style intake on without the elbow???? I have a 65mm Explorer throttle body with fox linkage and a polished Explorer intake. Took many hours to make that intake shine. All part of my $500 motor/trans deal from a '99 Explorer- it was totally complete. I don't want to buy a tb when I already have one. We have no emissions testing so egr isn't needed. Looks like I will be a pioneer in this. The only part that *might* not fit is the tps hitting the hood. I'm going to get a cowl hood one day so I would just hack my hood for now
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Man, that's too bad you're giving up on the bird. I get that way sometimes when stuff breaks.

Anyway, I'm wondering why nobody has ever put a fox style intake on without the elbow???? I have a 65mm Explorer throttle body with fox linkage and a polished Explorer intake. Took many hours to make that intake shine. All part of my $500 motor/trans deal from a '99 Explorer- it was totally complete. I don't want to buy a tb when I already have one. We have no emissions testing so egr isn't needed. Looks like I will be a pioneer in this. The only part that *might* not fit is the tps hitting the hood. I'm going to get a cowl hood one day so I would just hack my hood for now
Without the linkage where would you put the bracket for the throttle and TV cables? If you are going to pay for the EGR plate just to have something to attach the throttle bracket to then why not just use the elbow for around the same price?

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I geuss I'm keeping it for awhile. Could very well be the valves aren't correct. I may just look into the Explorer intake. I have to take mine off to get to the valve covers anyways. What a P.I. T.A. this car is.
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I wouldn't buy a plate. I would make one. But it might be easier to just cut and weld my factory bracket. Then drill and tap some holes in the side of the intake, or make the bracket bolt to the tb studs.

The biggest reason is the larger 65mm tb I already have that came with the used motor. It won't bolt up to an elbow. Isn't the factory tb 60mm?
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I wouldn't buy a plate. I would make one. But it might be easier to just cut and weld my factory bracket. Then drill and tap some holes in the side of the intake, or make the bracket bolt to the tb studs.

The biggest reason is the larger 65mm tb I already have that came with the used motor. It won't bolt up to an elbow. Isn't the factory tb 60mm?

Oh yeah, I forgot. The 94-95 Mustang/91-93 T-Bird 5.0/89-95 SC use a throttle body that is a different shape than the Fox intake. You would have do a few other things like switch to a Fox throttle body to make that work.

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Don't forget about the coolant lines that go to the intake on the FOX cars. I know cause I took a regular Fox type intake off of one once and put a Cobra on. Started it up and antifreeze went everywhere. Got to plug them or install them.
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I almost have the Explorer intake installed. The hood 'might' shut after trimming the brace. Now I have to figure out how to make the cruise work. The cruise would be easier if I used an egr spacer instead of just bolting the tb directly to the intake. Hopefully the tps won't hit the hood. I might need to get a fox tps.

When I finish tomorrow I'll post some pics.
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ok this shouldnt be hard, you should use the 94-95 mustang t/b adapter that they sell to work with the fox intakes, you would of been done by now

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It really wasn't very hard going fox style

I drilled and tapped for the original fitting for brake and pressure regulator vaccum here-

http://members.cox.net/93tbird/intak...e%20vaccum.JPG

Cruise works! I cut off the plastic crap and hooked the cable end to a ring connector over the throttle ball. Cut a slot in the fox bracket. If the cable wasn't broken where the bolt goes the zip-tie wouldn't be needed. The fox bracket bolts to a bracket I made from scrap. Notice I also half-shafted the tb Ahh the things boredom makes one do.

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The tps bolt hits the hood. Cutting out the brace let the hood shut fine. No rubbing either. I dimpled the hood with a reverse hail dent for now. I only gave $30.00 for the hood so its almost worthless to me. A fox tps would have cleared no problem. A cowl hood is in the future anyway. It's a '94 hood with '97 headlights.

http://members.cox.net/93tbird/intak...;%20higher.JPG

I used a different pcv valve so I could hook the canister to it.

The rubber couplers were all I could find for now. I spent $20 on couplers and $23 on a 3 1/2" chrome exhaust tip.

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It really wasn't very hard going fox style

I drilled and tapped for the original fitting for brake and pressure regulator vaccum here-

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Cruise works! I cut off the plastic crap and hooked the cable end to a ring connector over the throttle ball. Cut a slot in the fox bracket. If the cable wasn't broken where the bolt goes the zip-tie wouldn't be needed. The fox bracket bolts to a bracket I made from scrap. Notice I also half-shafted the tb Ahh the things boredom makes one do.

http://members.cox.net/93tbird/intak...se%20cable.JPG

Here are a few finished shots.

http://members.cox.net/93tbird/intake/done!.JPG
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http://members.cox.net/93tbird/intake/polished.JPG

The tps bolt hits the hood. Cutting out the brace let the hood shut fine. No rubbing either. I dimpled the hood with a reverse hail dent for now. I only gave $30.00 for the hood so its almost worthless to me. A fox tps would have cleared no problem. A cowl hood is in the future anyway. It's a '94 hood with '97 headlights.

http://members.cox.net/93tbird/intak...;%20higher.JPG

I used a different pcv valve so I could hook the canister to it.

The rubber couplers were all I could find for now. I spent $20 on couplers and $23 on a 3 1/2" chrome exhaust tip.

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Good thing your labor is free.

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Yeah, if someone was paying me to do all that extra work they would be way ahead buying an elbow. I must've spent 8 hours polishing the intake, 3 hours installing it, and at least another 4 hours making stuff fit and getting parts.
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You mean to tell me that if I use an Explorer intake, I have to get the elbow thing also? It is like $75 for one. Is the Expl. intake just the upper or both upper and lower? How did you polish it?
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Well, I bought a whole '99 Explorer engine/trans complete with all accessories for 5 bills last summer. I'm going to finish the motor one of these days The lower is the same as a cobra/gt40. You need both upper and lower. I ported the lower and painted it. The upper took alot of grinding and sanding. I finished it off with some aluminum polishing compound then some 3m stuff made for a cars paint.

That rubber elbow I used was 9 bucks at the truck supply. I could have bought a whole 7' stick of aluminized 3.5" pipe today for 20 bucks. All I could get Saturday was a 3.5" chrome tailpipe. I spent about $45 on the couplers and tailpipe..er chrome intake pipe. A new 65mm tb and elbow would be $250 or so.

I wanted to use the 65mm Explorer tb that won't fit on an elbow since it was already in hand. You would need a $75 elbow to keep egr. Professional Products has one cheaper.

Business is real slow right now so time isn't really money...unfortunately. I would rather make stuff than buy it anyway. Much more fun that way.

Today was the first time the pavement was dry since installing the intake. The power increase is pretty decent. Still not enough but feels like at least 20-30hp. Hard to tell since the throttle response is so much greater. The motor revs way quicker and pulls higher rpms. 5500 rpm shifts feel just right. Looks like I'm deep in the 14's without ever taking the valve covers off. Can't wait till Friday night t&t Then I can use the trusty hp calculator and make a better guess on the increase.
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Just need to find a cheap intake. I don't have the cash right now. I'm gonna have to wait.
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