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That is the truth with the MAC's i have to tighten them once a month to keep that exhaust leak away....i got rid of the gaskets that came with them too!! The brass or copper gaskets made my engine sound like a hit and miss tractor...If you can have the JBA's on in 30 minutes i am about to call them up and make a order...the Macs have gave me alot of gray hairs!

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It has 206,000+ miles on it and still beats half the crap out there now off the line.
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hmmm let's see

...When you can install an engine and tranny and have it running in 7 hours with little or no help

...When you take your radiator to a radiator shop to have it hot tanked and they write V6 on the work order even though you told them it's from a V8. (I really need to get that 3 core)

...When you can take the lower intake manifold off without having to pull the distributor (Oh Yea!!)

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...The first mod you wanna do is headers

...An exhaust place you go to says "Well you'll have to come back in a few days when we have more time."
Holy cow, is that ever the truth if I've heard it. No one believed me that my old '83 T-Bird had the 5.0L in it (regardless of how slow it was).

And yeah, the first mod I wanted was headers, but everyone said they "wouldn't fit." Yeah, I can make 'em fit.

And everyone said that about the exhaust, too. I really wish I'd kept that Bird and dropped the $3800 on it that I spent on my '96 Sable. Sure, my Sable is probably faster (Duratec), but I could've made that T-Bird see speeds it never dreamed of for $3800.
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When you realize that your 3.8 v6 (non-sc) car isnt much slower than the 5.0... hahahaha
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sure Matt, sure...............Wanna race?
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When you realize that your 3.8 v6 (non-sc) car isnt much slower than the 5.0... hahahaha
When you realize that there are as many oblivious 3.8L MN12 owners out there that think they’ve got a snowballs chance, as there are 3.8L SN95 Mustang owners.

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I guess I shoulda mentioned that my 92 3.8 (non-sc) ran a 15.6 last year before I blew the motor... lol... I dont think my 93 LX 5.0 goes any faster then low 16's I have not ever tried my 5.0 car at the track yet, so Ill have to wait till then to see... I figure that my 5.0 car has close to the same power at the rear wheels as the 3.8 I had in the 92 car. (188 horses to the rear wheels in the 92 car).
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Doubt thats a stock 3.8 you're talking about...
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I had stock '93 - 3.8, and I have a stock '93 - 5.0

Compared to the 5.0, the 3.8 is a dog.
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0-60 on the 5.0 Tbird is 9.2 seconds.. thats for a 92 that I checked on Car & drivers's website a while back.. the 3.8v6 (non-sc) was 9.8 seconds... both stock. the 5.0 ran in the low16's and when I ran my 3.8 stock at the track (before any mods) I ran a 17.1.. yes, that is a pretty big difference through the 1/4 mile between the 2 of them... at least 4-5 car lengths if you think in terms of drag-racing..

The SC was 7.1 seconds for the 0-60... and 15.3 for the 1/4 when stock..

I looked in an older Motor Trend issue and found times for the 4.6 birds and the Mark 8's

The mark 8 (290hp LSC) ran 6.9 seconds 0-60.. 15 flat through the 1/4

The 4.6 birds, 94-95 were 0-60 in 8.1 seconds and ran a 15.9 through the 1/4

The 96-97 4.6 birds were 0-60 in 7.7 seconds and ran a 15.6 <-- it has to be because of the 3.27 gears in the rear end the 96-97 models had.

I never got to check my 3.8 v6 (non-sc) for the 1/8 mile, or 0-60, but I think it was around 7.2 to 7.5.. it felt like it was as quick as an SC, but still didnt have that big seat in the pants feel you get when you mashed the gas.. I never got to race an SC in it b4 the motor blew though There a few SC guys (from an SCCoA meet in the past) that took a ride in my 3.8 (non sc) car and they said it was quite fast and they were impressed - but then again, I was pushing 253 lbs of torque and 188 horses at my rear wheels - no blower - just LOTS of head work, intake work, etc... I think my 3.8 (non sc) would have been in the mid 13's with a Vortech kit and an 8 lb pulley...


One question for all the 5.0's in here... Can ur 5.0 Tbird or Cougar burn out when it was stock? Im talking about, pulling up to a light, and just mashing the gas when its green, and having your tires spin real good... no e-brakes (cheating).... The only stock 5.0 Ive seen able to burn out, was a Sport, and those I belive came with 3.27 gears in the rear versus the rest of them at 3.08 <-- like mine.. was it the 3.27 gears that made the car capable to burn out or something, becase Ive heard other people with the 5.0 sports claiming to be able to burn rubber..
crap, Ill throw in my 3.55 traction lock rear end if thats all it takes for my 93 LX 5.0 to burn some nice rubber!!

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The 5.0 Sports all came with the 3.08s. Some came with a trac loc diff though. Mine brand new would just barely smoke them at a stand still. It depended on the type of surface. Very disappointing but I had a trac loc. Those with the single track rear could really smoke them though. Less rotating mass to get moving. The difference is in the calibration of the EEC.

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0-60 on the 5.0 Tbird is 9.2 seconds.. thats for a 92 that I checked on Car & drivers's website a while back.. the 3.8v6 (non-sc) was 9.8 seconds... both stock. the 5.0 ran in the low16's and when I ran my 3.8 stock at the track (before any mods) I ran a 17.1.. yes, that is a pretty big difference through the 1/4 mile between the 2 of them... at least 4-5 car lengths if you think in terms of drag-racing..

The SC was 7.1 seconds for the 0-60... and 15.3 for the 1/4 when stock..

I looked in an older Motor Trend issue and found times for the 4.6 birds and the Mark 8's

The mark 8 (290hp LSC) ran 6.9 seconds 0-60.. 15 flat through the 1/4

The 4.6 birds, 94-95 were 0-60 in 8.1 seconds and ran a 15.9 through the 1/4

The 96-97 4.6 birds were 0-60 in 7.7 seconds and ran a 15.6 <-- it has to be because of the 3.27 gears in the rear end the 96-97 models had.
No offence Matt, but you read too many magazines. According to one Magazine.....cough....Hot Rod....cough, the '03 SVT Cobra was only good for 13.3 in the 1/4 of a mile. I found this funny after reading it, because I can't even count the number of high 12-second Cobra's I've seen on street tires. I've even heard of them going as quickly as mid-12's. Even MM&FF was able to ring a 12.7 out of a Convertible no less.

I know, I know.....what does this have to do with MN12? Not a damn thing, except that you shouldn't always put so much faith as to what's written in a magazine. And of all publications to run test times, Car and Driver has to be the most famous for lousy drivers.

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That is a very good point.. there is no way that some random editor schmuck test driver gets enough time (or even cares) with any car to the point where they are going to learn to drive it the best... meaning an owner that owns an sc (for example) will always get a better time than some random editor jumpin in an sc at the track for a set of runs <-- A good point which I didnt consider at the time of posting the performance data.. however, it still is a relatively good base point to use to get an idea of how quick a car is..

Ive been reading motor trend since I was 11 years old, and a lot of data stuck in my head; I went through my collection of motor trend to get the times for all the cars except for the 5.0 92 model which I looked up with car and driver.

I had a 92 LX 3.8 for years, and with a car that runs over 17 seconds through the 1/4 mile, would you really want to be any more than a bench racer? lol

It changed of course when I started dumping money into that POS 3.8.. it made it a LOT faster, probably even faster than the mid 15's I claimed it could run, and it was quicker than an SC I test drove recently before, however that SC I believe had a tired motor (180,000 miles and mine had 85,000).. but then I cracked my heads and blew the freakin motor. I dont like messing with aluminum heads anymore because of that. One reason I love the 5.0's with the iron heads. But for all the people who told me in the past that the non-sc 3.8 wont gain much, well they were not even close to being right.. I didnt go anywhere near as crazy as I could have with that engine, and it got a big jump in power.. I say it was pushin somewhere around 225-230 hp at the crank..

I slowly put together a 347 (over a 1.5 year period) that I was going to put in the 3.8 car, but now its going in the 5.0 car sometime early next year..

I just got to get this 3g alternator and wiring upgrade installed already, so I can install the Mark 8 fan using Lonnies awesome wiring kit that I bought from him a year ago..

Ill be happy if I can just get into the low 13's I think the 347 will get me into..


As far as the rear end, I dont know for sure if I have trac lock or not in my stock rear end. when I can get them to spin, i think its only one side.. but it does not spin easily. Every 4.6 Ive test drove was able to do a little burnout. Maybe I should find out why my 5.0 is pinging and idlin funny first (even with a tune up and no error codes from the EEC), then Ill try the burn out test again.
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What you read in Magizines and Watch/see on TV should be taken with a grain of salt...

What Altitude, Temperature, ect, ect was it that day they did the runs??

110% humity, 110Degrees and 10,000feet up for the 5oh
50% humity, 62Degrees and sea level for the NA 3.8??

Unless all the cars are ran back-to-back on the same day and time frame the numbers Will not be right..

With that said..
1991 XR7 5.0L Blown AOD did 15.7 (or 15.8) in the 1/4.. only mods Air silencer, K&N panel and `off road exhuast' (YAH that helps getting these heavy asses moving)
And the thing never had a tune up, not the timing advanced (stock setting) had basiclly a full tank of gas, and a smallish stereo in the trunk...

Before the exhuast i was able to do LOW (7.2-7.3) runs up to 62MPH (i'm canadian eh so i went to 100km/h eh )

AND when i first got it, it spun the wheels off the line, not for too long (untill the weight transfered to the rear wheels) but a good 1-2 feet...
With the 2nd AOD, (wide ratio gear set, ect) power brake too 1500-2000 got a fair amount of spin off the line.. 1-d-1 shuffle into 2nd spun the tires another 5or so feet EASILY and i had somewhat sticky tires (160 thread wear) at that time..

NOW with the 5spd.. it's a totally different beast.. haven't taken it to the track with the 5spd.. But it shure is quicker even with a tired 5oh propelling the beast

OH the 1/4 stuff was done at NEar sea level, cool evening (sorry forget the Temp, it was like 2-3 years ago ), and just next a nice wide river
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OH and on the 4.6L side (my '96)

Compared to how i remember my 5.0L when i got it (2nd gear chirps in DRIVE!!!) this POS is slow! off the line punching doesn't even get a chirp (and we're dealing with some cheap *** narrow tires here), and yes Traction control was off (also it's not THAT quick)

haven't taken it to the track or anything.. nor do i plan too.. it's just to get me to point B and back.. the '91 is for the playing, and on the curvies too.. I only went to the track a couple of times just to see what it was like, and what i could get my car to do.. heh like 6-8 trips down the track, and i got bored of it
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...Everyone finally believes you after you open the hood

...You spend half an hour trying to aim the timing light so you can see it

...The first mod you wanna do is headers

...An exhaust place you go to says "Well you'll have to come back in a few days when we have more time."
I had the first statement happen to me when my now-current bf thought he could race my t-bird and successfully beat me....that is until i popped the hood and he looked inside Then he had second thoughts about going up against me...and everyday i pick on him and ask him when he's going to race me
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when you take on a 2005 infinity knowing ure probally going to get smocked, but take the guys first 2 gears and keep the foot down while he passes.

When a punk in his done up honda pulls up next to you and revs his engine and all ya hear is bahhh bahhh, so you rev her up and watch the hood shake. Light turns green and 2 secons later hes in ure rearveiw... Funny thing is hes got 30gs in his car you got maybe 4grand.
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Well, I know that when I jump on the gas with the foot to the floor on the highway, my 93 LX 5.0 sure takes off like a bat outta hell, but around town it could be better..
On the other hand, I guess I could try and figure out why my LX 5.0 is pinging.. well it idles funny, and pings when you get on the motor hard.. if you stand on the gas on the freeway for a while, I could swear that I can smell a pinch of coolant. I got the car on Ebay last year, so I dont know really if its all that healthy of a 5.0 motor yet... I just put plugs on the motor as the old ones looked crappy,, it still needs the rest of a full tune up. I have a fuel leak coming out of my schraeder valve on the fuel rail, so I better get that fixed fast! I couldnt figure out why I was getting only 10 miles to the gallon there for a little while..

but with that said, I SMOKED a friends 4.6 bird multiple times with my 3.8 car in the past..

this was after all the lame brains (mostly SC folks) told me to get rid of my 3.8 LX because it couldnt be fixed up, and would not go fast.. I REALLY wish I had gotten a chance to race a stock SC with my 3.8 car, because it would have been very close.

"when someone responds to you that you should just trade your car in.." thats when you know u have a 3.8 na car..

by the way, my 3.8 and 5.0 car did run on different days, but they were at the same track, same altitude, etc.. weather was simular, althought its impossible to duplicate exact conditions the next time.. but I can tell you from the "seat of the pants" feeling you get that my 3.8 car was quite a bit quicker with all the mods I have done as one would expect...

My 3.8 car had a LOT of mods, in every department, handling, braking, speed, etc... now its gone, as some punk stole it.. Im back to square 1 with my 5.0 car, and Im tired of doing all the same "fixes" all over again as the ones I had to deal with on the 3.8 car. knowing my luck, Ill get my 5.0 car all nice, then that will get stolen too, and another 25k out the window!! whoever got my 3,8 car, had to drive it away with a hell of a knocking coming from the motor, as the motor blew in that car.. lol..
I may try trading my 5.0 car in for a 88 Pontiac Fiero hatchback.. there is a V8 conversion kit out there for that car for $990 although its not needed.. as there are some people running 12's in that car with a fixed up 2.8 v6 motor plus the fact that the most awesome body kits are around 3k for that car, you can make anything outta that car.

if I go that route, I will take pics of my 80% complete 347 motor, and I will list it..
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try putting 30+ grand into your bird, then watch it get stolen! its not a matter of bragging, its a matter of making a point...
Im sure anybody here would Sh*t their pants if their birds got stolen.....

kinda hard to see all the mods in these 2 pics I have but... here...
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getting my 92LX 3.8 non sc to run mid 15's is like getting our 5.0 cars to run in the 12's! its easily about the same effort.. maybe even more.
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Punching the gas from a stop and having the rear end try to come around and say hello (3.73 gears and a Traction Lock will do that )

The look on the face of the guy in a 5.0 GT convertable when he can't beat you off the line at a stop light.

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Oh and on a FOX T-bird being able to use most Mustang parts without trouble.

When I put an intake on my car I don't have to cut a hole in the hood

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When you can absolutely demolish a 5.0 mustang while going through a tight corner(especially when you are down 2 inches). Gotta love that independent rear! Thats about the only thing we got on those 5.0 stangs(well, except for having a MUCH better looking car than them).

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