94-95 Mustang GT Manual ECM in 91-93 MN12 - Page 2 - TCCoA Forums

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #31 of 160 (permalink) Old 03-01-2006, 09:47 AM
PostWhore
 
David Neibert's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: St. Charles MO
Posts: 1,318
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaddMartigan
I got mine off of Ebay. If you do a search for "Mustang ECM" (or ECU, EEC, computer) you can usually find one.

Here's what I found when I looked this morning:



You can also check on Corral. It's worth keeping an eye out for it all.
Finally found a T4MO ECU and will be giving it a try on my turbo car (93 SC w/5.0 conversion) within the next couple weeks.

David

1991 SC AOD 4.2..2.3 Whipple..........10.910 @ 125.61
2016 SRT Challenger Hellcat..................707HP/650TQ
David Neibert is offline  
post #32 of 160 (permalink) Old 03-01-2006, 11:17 AM Thread Starter
Moderator
Moderator
 
MaddMartigan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Pickerington,OH
Age: 49
Posts: 3,031
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by David Neibert
Finally found a T4MO ECU and will be giving it a try on my turbo car (93 SC w/5.0 conversion) within the next couple weeks.

David

Cool. Good luck with it. Just remember (and I figure you have) that you need a tuner to make it do what you need but it gives you a slightly better starting point.

"When the only tool you have is a hammer, suddenly everything looks like a nail."
"Nothing is foolproof because fools are so ingenious."
1993 Ford Thunderbird LX
Coast High Peformance 342 Stroker
-Low Tension Oil Rings, Zero Gap Seconds
-10.5:1 Compression Ratio
Trick Flow Twisted Wedge heads
Trick Flow Stage 1 cam
Trick Flow Street Heat Intake
Mac 1 5/8 long tube headers
FRPP 42# injectors
3.73 gears
Custom aluminum driveshaft
Built Darrin/dirtyd0g AOD with wide ratio gearset
dirtyd0g 9.5" Custom Torque Converter
Quarterhorse ECM from Moates
Zeitronix ZT-2 WB O2
No times under new system.......yet.
OMGHI2U

MaddMartigan is offline  
post #33 of 160 (permalink) Old 03-01-2006, 11:29 AM
6th Gear Poster
 
dugweed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Marine, IL
Age: 46
Posts: 659
Send a message via AIM to dugweed Send a message via Yahoo to dugweed
geesh....

wish i knew that before. Lobird made me an adapter to install A9L processor in my t bird, to use with Tweecer rt. havent had a chance to install as of yet, what with being on the road all the time and the back injury. maybe i'll just get a TM40, and not have to use the adapter, less connections is a good thing.

How do you like your tweecer?

2009 Harley-Davidson Road Glide
1996 F350 CCLB 7.3 5 speed 4x4
dugweed is offline  
post #34 of 160 (permalink) Old 03-01-2006, 11:33 AM Thread Starter
Moderator
Moderator
 
MaddMartigan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Pickerington,OH
Age: 49
Posts: 3,031
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by dugweed
wish i knew that before. Lobird made me an adapter to install A9L processor in my t bird, to use with Tweecer rt. havent had a chance to install as of yet, what with being on the road all the time and the back injury. maybe i'll just get a TM40, and not have to use the adapter, less connections is a good thing.

How do you like your tweecer?

Yeah, I looked into the A9L conversion and finally decided this route since the wiring is almost identical and I was going to need to use a tuner anyway.

I like the Tweecer pretty well. I think the software could be a little better but I've had success with it regardless. The real time logging feature is a must though.

"When the only tool you have is a hammer, suddenly everything looks like a nail."
"Nothing is foolproof because fools are so ingenious."
1993 Ford Thunderbird LX
Coast High Peformance 342 Stroker
-Low Tension Oil Rings, Zero Gap Seconds
-10.5:1 Compression Ratio
Trick Flow Twisted Wedge heads
Trick Flow Stage 1 cam
Trick Flow Street Heat Intake
Mac 1 5/8 long tube headers
FRPP 42# injectors
3.73 gears
Custom aluminum driveshaft
Built Darrin/dirtyd0g AOD with wide ratio gearset
dirtyd0g 9.5" Custom Torque Converter
Quarterhorse ECM from Moates
Zeitronix ZT-2 WB O2
No times under new system.......yet.
OMGHI2U

MaddMartigan is offline  
post #35 of 160 (permalink) Old 03-01-2006, 03:04 PM
2nd Gear Poster
 
5.0HO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: the Netherlands
Age: 47
Posts: 111
So if i understand it correctly.

If you have a '91-'93 bird you can swap EEC for the one you tell here.
If i put it in standard without tuning , does it drive corrctly.
Or do you have to tune it???

I'm doing a swap : '93 bird engine+tranny into my '66 mustang.
So i don't use EGR and those things.
Could i put in the EEC you're talking about and it runs corrctly????

'66 Mustang coupe 5.0 Cobra. (still in swap mode)

'93 Thunderbird LX 5.0 HO.
5.0HO is offline  
post #36 of 160 (permalink) Old 03-01-2006, 06:14 PM Thread Starter
Moderator
Moderator
 
MaddMartigan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Pickerington,OH
Age: 49
Posts: 3,031
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by 5.0HO
So if i understand it correctly.

If you have a '91-'93 bird you can swap EEC for the one you tell here.
If i put it in standard without tuning , does it drive corrctly.
Or do you have to tune it???

I'm doing a swap : '93 bird engine+tranny into my '66 mustang.
So i don't use EGR and those things.
Could i put in the EEC you're talking about and it runs corrctly????
Well, to answer your question honestly, I can't necessarily say for sure. I know that the Mustang EEC will work with a stock setup for the most part but, since the MAF is different between the two cars, I suspect that you may have some issues there. If you are not going to use the EGR you will most likely get a CEL since the EEC does expect to see it. The injectors are the same between the T4M0 and the 91-93 MN12 so that should be fine. The J4J1 Cobra ECM probably won't work since it uses different injectors and MAF.

The short answer is that it probably won't work straight up.

"When the only tool you have is a hammer, suddenly everything looks like a nail."
"Nothing is foolproof because fools are so ingenious."
1993 Ford Thunderbird LX
Coast High Peformance 342 Stroker
-Low Tension Oil Rings, Zero Gap Seconds
-10.5:1 Compression Ratio
Trick Flow Twisted Wedge heads
Trick Flow Stage 1 cam
Trick Flow Street Heat Intake
Mac 1 5/8 long tube headers
FRPP 42# injectors
3.73 gears
Custom aluminum driveshaft
Built Darrin/dirtyd0g AOD with wide ratio gearset
dirtyd0g 9.5" Custom Torque Converter
Quarterhorse ECM from Moates
Zeitronix ZT-2 WB O2
No times under new system.......yet.
OMGHI2U

MaddMartigan is offline  
post #37 of 160 (permalink) Old 03-01-2006, 10:18 PM
PostWhore
 
David Neibert's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: St. Charles MO
Posts: 1,318
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaddMartigan
Cool. Good luck with it. Just remember (and I figure you have) that you need a tuner to make it do what you need but it gives you a slightly better starting point.
Yes...I'll be using a custom SCT chip. We needed to retune anyway because we are changing the mass air meter to a larger unit for more range.

David

1991 SC AOD 4.2..2.3 Whipple..........10.910 @ 125.61
2016 SRT Challenger Hellcat..................707HP/650TQ
David Neibert is offline  
post #38 of 160 (permalink) Old 03-02-2006, 05:10 AM Thread Starter
Moderator
Moderator
 
MaddMartigan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Pickerington,OH
Age: 49
Posts: 3,031
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by David Neibert
Yes...I'll be using a custom SCT chip. We needed to retune anyway because we are changing the mass air meter to a larger unit for more range.

David

Cool. Let us know your results. I can't wait to see how it turns out.

"When the only tool you have is a hammer, suddenly everything looks like a nail."
"Nothing is foolproof because fools are so ingenious."
1993 Ford Thunderbird LX
Coast High Peformance 342 Stroker
-Low Tension Oil Rings, Zero Gap Seconds
-10.5:1 Compression Ratio
Trick Flow Twisted Wedge heads
Trick Flow Stage 1 cam
Trick Flow Street Heat Intake
Mac 1 5/8 long tube headers
FRPP 42# injectors
3.73 gears
Custom aluminum driveshaft
Built Darrin/dirtyd0g AOD with wide ratio gearset
dirtyd0g 9.5" Custom Torque Converter
Quarterhorse ECM from Moates
Zeitronix ZT-2 WB O2
No times under new system.......yet.
OMGHI2U

MaddMartigan is offline  
post #39 of 160 (permalink) Old 03-02-2006, 07:47 AM
PostWhore
 
David Neibert's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: St. Charles MO
Posts: 1,318
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaddMartigan
Cool. Let us know your results. I can't wait to see how it turns out.
If this doesn't work out, the next step will be an AEM with 3 bar MAP sensor and wide band o2. I suspect I'm still going to have a problem with timing control on this setup, because it's not considering manifold pressure to control timing.

The other alternative is upgrading to a Digital 7 ignition with a MAP sensor to control timing.

David

1991 SC AOD 4.2..2.3 Whipple..........10.910 @ 125.61
2016 SRT Challenger Hellcat..................707HP/650TQ
David Neibert is offline  
post #40 of 160 (permalink) Old 03-20-2006, 01:11 PM
PostWhore
 
David Neibert's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: St. Charles MO
Posts: 1,318
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaddMartigan
Cool. Let us know your results. I can't wait to see how it turns out.
Martigan,

We installed the new 94/95 mustang EEC last weekend in the turbo car and retuned it. The new processor responded much better to tuning changes with the SCT chip and we got the car running real well and were also able to delete the EGR.

Where the 91 LX processor I had before would respond well to tuning changes up to a certian point and then spaz out, the mustang processor responded in a very predictible and consistant manner and never spazed out.

Still have a few issues with part throttle and I think I have some intermittent ignition problems (bad ground somewhere), but we made good progress on tuning the car and the Mustang EEC appears to have been a step in the right direction.

Thanks for posting the info on your swap. Now if I get tired of fighting the tune using a blow thru MAF, it will be a very easy crossover to an AEM plug and play unit with wide band o2 and a 3 bar MAP sensor.

David

1991 SC AOD 4.2..2.3 Whipple..........10.910 @ 125.61
2016 SRT Challenger Hellcat..................707HP/650TQ
David Neibert is offline  
post #41 of 160 (permalink) Old 03-20-2006, 01:19 PM Thread Starter
Moderator
Moderator
 
MaddMartigan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Pickerington,OH
Age: 49
Posts: 3,031
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by David Neibert
Martigan,

We installed the new 94/95 mustang EEC last weekend in the turbo car and retuned it. The new processor responded much better to tuning changes with the SCT chip and we got the car running real well and were also able to delete the EGR.

Where the 91 LX processor I had before would respond well to tuning changes up to a certian point and then spaz out, the mustang processor responded in a very predictible and consistant manner and never spazed out.

Still have a few issues with part throttle and I think I have some intermittent ignition problems (bad ground somewhere), but we made good progress on tuning the car and the Mustang EEC appears to have been a step in the right direction.

Thanks for posting the info on your swap. Now if I get tired of fighting the tune using a blow thru MAF, it will be a very easy crossover to an AEM plug and play unit with wide band o2 and a 3 bar MAP sensor.

David

Awesome. That's great to hear. I figured you would have better luck with it but it's always hard to tell with such an exotic setup.

I think you can figure out both the part throttle and ignition issue. I've been doing some reviewing of the logs of the last runs I made and I have a bit more investigation to do of timing under load and the actual load settings. Since I added the long tube headers I have to adjust the exhaust pulse delay.

Again, glad to hear that it worked. I think that the AEM unit for the 94-95 Mustang is definitely the way to go if you have the budget. That's the big hurdle though.

"When the only tool you have is a hammer, suddenly everything looks like a nail."
"Nothing is foolproof because fools are so ingenious."
1993 Ford Thunderbird LX
Coast High Peformance 342 Stroker
-Low Tension Oil Rings, Zero Gap Seconds
-10.5:1 Compression Ratio
Trick Flow Twisted Wedge heads
Trick Flow Stage 1 cam
Trick Flow Street Heat Intake
Mac 1 5/8 long tube headers
FRPP 42# injectors
3.73 gears
Custom aluminum driveshaft
Built Darrin/dirtyd0g AOD with wide ratio gearset
dirtyd0g 9.5" Custom Torque Converter
Quarterhorse ECM from Moates
Zeitronix ZT-2 WB O2
No times under new system.......yet.
OMGHI2U

MaddMartigan is offline  
post #42 of 160 (permalink) Old 03-22-2006, 06:44 PM
PostWhore
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Oklahoma
Age: 48
Posts: 1,143
I asked the guy at O'Reillys about a '94 manual trans computer today. He said there was one in the warehouse for $89.00---I said ship it.

I'm going to see how it runs with a tbird 70mm maf just for grins Then I'm going to get some kind of tuner for it, since I have some free 24 lb injectors from a 460. Just want all the bugs out before swapping in a new motor with a .555 lift cam.
icantdrive55 is offline  
post #43 of 160 (permalink) Old 03-22-2006, 07:15 PM
PostWhore
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Oklahoma
Age: 48
Posts: 1,143
Where do you find maf transfer functions for the tweecer when you change the maf? That is the other main reason I'm doing this. I'd like to use an '02 gt maf. The stock maf is too small and I'm running fine with a '94 tbird maf, even though it isn't 'right'.
icantdrive55 is offline  
post #44 of 160 (permalink) Old 03-22-2006, 07:22 PM Thread Starter
Moderator
Moderator
 
MaddMartigan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Pickerington,OH
Age: 49
Posts: 3,031
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by icantdrive55
Where do you find maf transfer functions for the tweecer when you change the maf? That is the other main reason I'm doing this. I'd like to use an '02 gt maf. The stock maf is too small and I'm running fine with a '94 tbird maf, even though it isn't 'right'.
The Tweecer software includes some base transfer functions for popular MAFs but you can also ask over at www.eectuning.org to get the complete 30 pt. table. There is also a Yahoo group for it as well.

"When the only tool you have is a hammer, suddenly everything looks like a nail."
"Nothing is foolproof because fools are so ingenious."
1993 Ford Thunderbird LX
Coast High Peformance 342 Stroker
-Low Tension Oil Rings, Zero Gap Seconds
-10.5:1 Compression Ratio
Trick Flow Twisted Wedge heads
Trick Flow Stage 1 cam
Trick Flow Street Heat Intake
Mac 1 5/8 long tube headers
FRPP 42# injectors
3.73 gears
Custom aluminum driveshaft
Built Darrin/dirtyd0g AOD with wide ratio gearset
dirtyd0g 9.5" Custom Torque Converter
Quarterhorse ECM from Moates
Zeitronix ZT-2 WB O2
No times under new system.......yet.
OMGHI2U

MaddMartigan is offline  
post #45 of 160 (permalink) Old 03-25-2006, 12:41 AM
PostWhore
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Oklahoma
Age: 48
Posts: 1,143
My car runs great with the T4M0 I lost a tenth and 1/2 mph with the factory bird computer. They perform the same. I had to swap maf sensors, but everything else is fine with a stock tune.

My biggest complaint on the tbird computer was the surging at 30 or 40 mph when suddenly letting off the throttle. My guess was fuel cutoff causing that and the non-lockup converter let the rpms drop too low. That problem which started after installing the converter is cured.

Now to decide which way to tune that sucker
icantdrive55 is offline  
post #46 of 160 (permalink) Old 03-27-2006, 08:07 PM
PostWhore
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Oklahoma
Age: 48
Posts: 1,143
I installed a non locking converter. Afterwards the engine would 'surge' at 30 or 40 mph while decelerating and my foot completely off the gas. The computer expected a locking converter to keep the rpms up. This problem needed a tune or a computer for a manual transmission.

This swap was only about $120. The reman '94 Mustang computer was $89.00 and the junkyard maf was $20.00. I actually used a '92 Crown Vic sensor [exact same part as a '94 Mustang] in a '94 tbird housing. The housings are both 70mm but bolt up different. My short term fuel trim hangs close to zero all the time now.

When the new motor goes in the Mustang computer will be tunable for bigger injectors and maf without sending off for a chip or buying an overpriced pro racer package. 5.0 tbird computers just don't have much aftermarket support.
icantdrive55 is offline  
post #47 of 160 (permalink) Old 03-28-2006, 04:09 PM
PostWhore
 
David Neibert's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: St. Charles MO
Posts: 1,318
Martigan,

Thought you might like to see a couple of short video clips Keith D. (Vic Rattlehead)took Sunday while we were doing a breif road test with the turbo car. Other than being hard to start, cold natured and a major gas guzzler....it's running pretty good with the new computer.

BTW, I have to use MT drag radials for street tires just to keep from wrecking it and they are wearing out fast.


http://rattleheadracing.net/tbu2006/MOV02735.MPG

http://rattleheadracing.net/tbu2006/MOV02736.MPG

David

1991 SC AOD 4.2..2.3 Whipple..........10.910 @ 125.61
2016 SRT Challenger Hellcat..................707HP/650TQ

Last edited by David Neibert; 03-28-2006 at 04:18 PM.
David Neibert is offline  
post #48 of 160 (permalink) Old 03-28-2006, 06:29 PM Thread Starter
Moderator
Moderator
 
MaddMartigan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Pickerington,OH
Age: 49
Posts: 3,031
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by David Neibert
Martigan,

Thought you might like to see a couple of short video clips Keith D. (Vic Rattlehead)took Sunday while we were doing a breif road test with the turbo car. Other than being hard to start, cold natured and a major gas guzzler....it's running pretty good with the new computer.

BTW, I have to use MT drag radials for street tires just to keep from wrecking it and they are wearing out fast.


http://rattleheadracing.net/tbu2006/MOV02735.MPG

http://rattleheadracing.net/tbu2006/MOV02736.MPG

David
Pretty awesome man.

I was talking to Keith last night and he mentioned about you bouncing off the speed limiter. You may want to talk to Lentech about that. If the governor in the transmission is correct and the VB is set up properly you should never bounce off the limiter. That will hurt you at the track too.

Otherwise looks like it's working great. Great job man.

"When the only tool you have is a hammer, suddenly everything looks like a nail."
"Nothing is foolproof because fools are so ingenious."
1993 Ford Thunderbird LX
Coast High Peformance 342 Stroker
-Low Tension Oil Rings, Zero Gap Seconds
-10.5:1 Compression Ratio
Trick Flow Twisted Wedge heads
Trick Flow Stage 1 cam
Trick Flow Street Heat Intake
Mac 1 5/8 long tube headers
FRPP 42# injectors
3.73 gears
Custom aluminum driveshaft
Built Darrin/dirtyd0g AOD with wide ratio gearset
dirtyd0g 9.5" Custom Torque Converter
Quarterhorse ECM from Moates
Zeitronix ZT-2 WB O2
No times under new system.......yet.
OMGHI2U

MaddMartigan is offline  
post #49 of 160 (permalink) Old 03-28-2006, 10:44 PM
PostWhore
 
David Neibert's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: St. Charles MO
Posts: 1,318
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaddMartigan
Pretty awesome man.

I was talking to Keith last night and he mentioned about you bouncing off the speed limiter. You may want to talk to Lentech about that. If the governor in the transmission is correct and the VB is set up properly you should never bounce off the limiter. That will hurt you at the track too.

Otherwise looks like it's working great. Great job man.
Thanks.

I was shifting it manually...just goofing around. If I let it shift it self it stays off the rev limiter, but that's not nearly as fun. The thing revs so quick and smooth when the turbo spools, it doesn't sound like it's anywhere near 7000 rpms.

Takes a little getting used to because everything happens pretty fast when the boost starts building.

David

1991 SC AOD 4.2..2.3 Whipple..........10.910 @ 125.61
2016 SRT Challenger Hellcat..................707HP/650TQ
David Neibert is offline  
post #50 of 160 (permalink) Old 03-31-2006, 08:08 AM
PostWhore
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Oklahoma
Age: 48
Posts: 1,143
Yeah David... that car makes me drool...well almost....um ok it does

Real reason I'm posting is to ask how people are placing the eec IV back above the kick panel with a tweecer attached??? There just isn't much room in there.

Pics would be nice but just a description would do.

Mine is temporarily installed upside down with part of the hacked original plastic bracket. The j3 port faces south so hooking up a tuning device would be alot easier. Then I used some of that factory foam to keep it from rattling.

I have a nice metal bracket off a defective Mitsubishi ecm I'm thinking of using for a permanant upside down install.
icantdrive55 is offline  
post #51 of 160 (permalink) Old 03-31-2006, 08:56 AM Thread Starter
Moderator
Moderator
 
MaddMartigan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Pickerington,OH
Age: 49
Posts: 3,031
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by icantdrive55
Yeah David... that car makes me drool...well almost....um ok it does

Real reason I'm posting is to ask how people are placing the eec IV back above the kick panel with a tweecer attached??? There just isn't much room in there.

Pics would be nice but just a description would do.

Mine is temporarily installed upside down with part of the hacked original plastic bracket. The j3 port faces south so hooking up a tuning device would be alot easier. Then I used some of that factory foam to keep it from rattling.

I have a nice metal bracket off a defective Mitsubishi ecm I'm thinking of using for a permanant upside down install.
I did eliminate the bracket that holds the EEC in place since the wiring does such a good job holding it steady. I have the Tweecer plugged in with the EEC in the normal position and tape holding it down. I just run the cable down the side of the EEC and tape it in place and route it from there.

Sorry, no pics since they wouldn't show anything meaningful.

"When the only tool you have is a hammer, suddenly everything looks like a nail."
"Nothing is foolproof because fools are so ingenious."
1993 Ford Thunderbird LX
Coast High Peformance 342 Stroker
-Low Tension Oil Rings, Zero Gap Seconds
-10.5:1 Compression Ratio
Trick Flow Twisted Wedge heads
Trick Flow Stage 1 cam
Trick Flow Street Heat Intake
Mac 1 5/8 long tube headers
FRPP 42# injectors
3.73 gears
Custom aluminum driveshaft
Built Darrin/dirtyd0g AOD with wide ratio gearset
dirtyd0g 9.5" Custom Torque Converter
Quarterhorse ECM from Moates
Zeitronix ZT-2 WB O2
No times under new system.......yet.
OMGHI2U

MaddMartigan is offline  
post #52 of 160 (permalink) Old 04-27-2006, 02:46 PM
PostWhore
 
David Neibert's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: St. Charles MO
Posts: 1,318
I've decided to install FAST XFI, with low imp injector driver, wide band o2 and a 3 bar MAP sensor in my turbo car. So if anyone else is looking for a T4MO processor, I'll have one for sale in about 4 weeks. $85 plus shipping. PM me if interested.

David

1991 SC AOD 4.2..2.3 Whipple..........10.910 @ 125.61
2016 SRT Challenger Hellcat..................707HP/650TQ
David Neibert is offline  
post #53 of 160 (permalink) Old 04-29-2006, 08:14 AM Thread Starter
Moderator
Moderator
 
MaddMartigan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Pickerington,OH
Age: 49
Posts: 3,031
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by David Neibert
I've decided to install FAST XFI, with low imp injector driver, wide band o2 and a 3 bar MAP sensor in my turbo car. So if anyone else is looking for a T4MO processor, I'll have one for sale in about 4 weeks. $85 plus shipping. PM me if interested.

David
Sorry to hear this mod didn't quite work out for you David. You have a pretty radical setup so I knew that even this mod would be pushed to the limits. These computers are actually a bit more limited than people realize. They do work well when tuned correctly but there just isn't enough software out there to do it right in most cases.

Good luck with the FAST system.

"When the only tool you have is a hammer, suddenly everything looks like a nail."
"Nothing is foolproof because fools are so ingenious."
1993 Ford Thunderbird LX
Coast High Peformance 342 Stroker
-Low Tension Oil Rings, Zero Gap Seconds
-10.5:1 Compression Ratio
Trick Flow Twisted Wedge heads
Trick Flow Stage 1 cam
Trick Flow Street Heat Intake
Mac 1 5/8 long tube headers
FRPP 42# injectors
3.73 gears
Custom aluminum driveshaft
Built Darrin/dirtyd0g AOD with wide ratio gearset
dirtyd0g 9.5" Custom Torque Converter
Quarterhorse ECM from Moates
Zeitronix ZT-2 WB O2
No times under new system.......yet.
OMGHI2U

MaddMartigan is offline  
post #54 of 160 (permalink) Old 04-29-2006, 08:06 PM
PostWhore
 
David Neibert's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: St. Charles MO
Posts: 1,318
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaddMartigan
Sorry to hear this mod didn't quite work out for you David. You have a pretty radical setup so I knew that even this mod would be pushed to the limits. These computers are actually a bit more limited than people realize. They do work well when tuned correctly but there just isn't enough software out there to do it right in most cases.

Good luck with the FAST system.
Not really anything wrong with the computer. It's just having a difficult time controlling the 83# injectors without a proper low impedance driver, and the MAF I'm using is too big and not calibrated for the injectors (85mm C&L tuner) and isn't reading well at idle and light throttle. If I were content with 500-600 rwhp I could install a set of high imp 60s and a smaller properly calibrated maf and I'm sure this computer would work fine.

I'm just tired of messing with it, so I'm going to something I know will work and will be able to support as much power as I ever want to make. Decided to change to a non-TFI distributor and install a crank trigger too.

David

1991 SC AOD 4.2..2.3 Whipple..........10.910 @ 125.61
2016 SRT Challenger Hellcat..................707HP/650TQ
David Neibert is offline  
post #55 of 160 (permalink) Old 04-29-2006, 08:34 PM Thread Starter
Moderator
Moderator
 
MaddMartigan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Pickerington,OH
Age: 49
Posts: 3,031
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by David Neibert
Not really anything wrong with the computer. It's just having a difficult time controlling the 83# injectors without a proper low impedance driver, and the MAF I'm using is too big and not calibrated for the injectors (85mm C&L tuner) and isn't reading well at idle and light throttle. If I were content with 500-600 rwhp I could install a set of high imp 60s and a smaller properly calibrated maf and I'm sure this computer would work fine.

I'm just tired of messing with it, so I'm going to something I know will work and will be able to support as much power as I ever want to make. Decided to change to a non-TFI distributor and install a crank trigger too.

David
Well, I think the C&L will give you problems when it comes to metering air. I wouldn't be surprised if that's why you had some surging. However, I don't know enough about turbo setups to make any kind of intelligent suggestion.

What kind of distributor will you run and still be able to manage spark via the computer?

"When the only tool you have is a hammer, suddenly everything looks like a nail."
"Nothing is foolproof because fools are so ingenious."
1993 Ford Thunderbird LX
Coast High Peformance 342 Stroker
-Low Tension Oil Rings, Zero Gap Seconds
-10.5:1 Compression Ratio
Trick Flow Twisted Wedge heads
Trick Flow Stage 1 cam
Trick Flow Street Heat Intake
Mac 1 5/8 long tube headers
FRPP 42# injectors
3.73 gears
Custom aluminum driveshaft
Built Darrin/dirtyd0g AOD with wide ratio gearset
dirtyd0g 9.5" Custom Torque Converter
Quarterhorse ECM from Moates
Zeitronix ZT-2 WB O2
No times under new system.......yet.
OMGHI2U

MaddMartigan is offline  
post #56 of 160 (permalink) Old 04-29-2006, 11:48 PM
PostWhore
 
David Neibert's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: St. Charles MO
Posts: 1,318
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaddMartigan
Well, I think the C&L will give you problems when it comes to metering air. I wouldn't be surprised if that's why you had some surging. However, I don't know enough about turbo setups to make any kind of intelligent suggestion.

What kind of distributor will you run and still be able to manage spark via the computer?
I just need an MSD one with an 8 tab reluctor for a cam signal (not sure what part #) The crank signal will come from the triggr wheel. I could just use the distributor I've got, but the crank trigger is supposed to be much better at high rpms and a little more accurate.

BTW, I'll be selling the existing distributor too.

David

1991 SC AOD 4.2..2.3 Whipple..........10.910 @ 125.61
2016 SRT Challenger Hellcat..................707HP/650TQ
David Neibert is offline  
post #57 of 160 (permalink) Old 04-30-2006, 06:46 AM Thread Starter
Moderator
Moderator
 
MaddMartigan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Pickerington,OH
Age: 49
Posts: 3,031
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by David Neibert
I just need an MSD one with an 8 tab reluctor for a cam signal (not sure what part #) The crank signal will come from the triggr wheel. I could just use the distributor I've got, but the crank trigger is supposed to be much better at high rpms and a little more accurate.

BTW, I'll be selling the existing distributor too.

David
What is your existing distributor?

"When the only tool you have is a hammer, suddenly everything looks like a nail."
"Nothing is foolproof because fools are so ingenious."
1993 Ford Thunderbird LX
Coast High Peformance 342 Stroker
-Low Tension Oil Rings, Zero Gap Seconds
-10.5:1 Compression Ratio
Trick Flow Twisted Wedge heads
Trick Flow Stage 1 cam
Trick Flow Street Heat Intake
Mac 1 5/8 long tube headers
FRPP 42# injectors
3.73 gears
Custom aluminum driveshaft
Built Darrin/dirtyd0g AOD with wide ratio gearset
dirtyd0g 9.5" Custom Torque Converter
Quarterhorse ECM from Moates
Zeitronix ZT-2 WB O2
No times under new system.......yet.
OMGHI2U

MaddMartigan is offline  
post #58 of 160 (permalink) Old 04-30-2006, 11:13 AM
PostWhore
 
David Neibert's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: St. Charles MO
Posts: 1,318
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaddMartigan
What is your existing distributor?
MSD Pro Billet (1994-1995 5.0) #8455

David

1991 SC AOD 4.2..2.3 Whipple..........10.910 @ 125.61
2016 SRT Challenger Hellcat..................707HP/650TQ
David Neibert is offline  
post #59 of 160 (permalink) Old 06-29-2006, 03:26 PM
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Leominster, MA
Posts: 23
ECM Help

I have been following your ECM story with great intrest. I have a 1992 Supercoupe that I bought with a blown engine. I installed a 347 stroker motor, a Summit kit with I beam rods and 10-1 pistons, a CHP lower end girdle, Trickflow Heads, roller cam and roller rockers and JBA shortie headers. I'm using a Crane HI-6 ignition and LX92 coil with Taylor wires. I still have the stock intake, injectors and MAF. I kept the stock 5 speed and clutch from the SC, I haven't broken it yet. I built a custom front exhaust with high flow cats up front leading to the Flowmaster rear duals. In the rear I put 3.73 with the Ford limited slip rebuilt. The car runs great but I cannot get it to pass Massachusetts emissions, the HC is just over the limit at low speed with the CO and NOX well below, once the car is up to speed all is well. What do you think? I wanted to try and adjust the computer but as you know there is very little support for this ECM, mine is an H2M1. Next on the list should be a performance intake, and throttle body, larger injectors and MAF. But none of this can happen until I pass emissions. Do you think the computer change, to the T4M0, would help me to correct this or am I overlooking something simpler? Thanks.
HarryS is offline  
post #60 of 160 (permalink) Old 06-29-2006, 07:20 PM Thread Starter
Moderator
Moderator
 
MaddMartigan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Pickerington,OH
Age: 49
Posts: 3,031
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by HarryS
I have been following your ECM story with great intrest. I have a 1992 Supercoupe that I bought with a blown engine. I installed a 347 stroker motor, a Summit kit with I beam rods and 10-1 pistons, a CHP lower end girdle, Trickflow Heads, roller cam and roller rockers and JBA shortie headers. I'm using a Crane HI-6 ignition and LX92 coil with Taylor wires. I still have the stock intake, injectors and MAF. I kept the stock 5 speed and clutch from the SC, I haven't broken it yet. I built a custom front exhaust with high flow cats up front leading to the Flowmaster rear duals. In the rear I put 3.73 with the Ford limited slip rebuilt. The car runs great but I cannot get it to pass Massachusetts emissions, the HC is just over the limit at low speed with the CO and NOX well below, once the car is up to speed all is well. What do you think? I wanted to try and adjust the computer but as you know there is very little support for this ECM, mine is an H2M1. Next on the list should be a performance intake, and throttle body, larger injectors and MAF. But none of this can happen until I pass emissions. Do you think the computer change, to the T4M0, would help me to correct this or am I overlooking something simpler? Thanks.
I definitely think it can put you on the right track. The ECM you have now isn't really supported by anyone and switching to the Mustang ECM will allow you to get those other things under control. HOWEVER, you will lose your automatic ride control. You would also lose your digital dash if you have it. Does Massachusets require you to have the air pump? If so, you will need to rewire your system to match the newer ECM's lines for that as well.

It's all doable, it will just take time.

"When the only tool you have is a hammer, suddenly everything looks like a nail."
"Nothing is foolproof because fools are so ingenious."
1993 Ford Thunderbird LX
Coast High Peformance 342 Stroker
-Low Tension Oil Rings, Zero Gap Seconds
-10.5:1 Compression Ratio
Trick Flow Twisted Wedge heads
Trick Flow Stage 1 cam
Trick Flow Street Heat Intake
Mac 1 5/8 long tube headers
FRPP 42# injectors
3.73 gears
Custom aluminum driveshaft
Built Darrin/dirtyd0g AOD with wide ratio gearset
dirtyd0g 9.5" Custom Torque Converter
Quarterhorse ECM from Moates
Zeitronix ZT-2 WB O2
No times under new system.......yet.
OMGHI2U

MaddMartigan is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the TCCoA Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome