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That's almost as much as I was planning on spending for the entire transmission. I guess its an option but man that hurts. I wonder how long those will be for sale and if they continually have those in stock.

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They pull em and sell em as people want em. Could be there for months, could be days. Not quite sure. They currently have two clutch pedal assemblies in stock (which is all you really need, you can cut down the auto brake pedal). They do have three brake pedals.

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Try Row52 | Find recycled automotive parts from self service auto recycling yards!

If noone has a manual SC up to parting out on here or SCCOA, the cheapest way to get this part besides buying a donor car of your own is to find it at a junkyard. Row52 pulls their data from 82 yards around the country; if they have one, you just need to make time to drive over there and pull the part yourself.

You could also try paying someone to pull the part for you but what you get for sending them your money up front can vary depending on what guy you contract with to pull and ship the part to you.
You may find it easier to use eBay or some website.

EDIT: nevermind that was a brake pedal

IIRC, this is approx what I sold extra clutch pedals from my parted out cars to buyers here on TCCOA for.
Going to a junkyard and pulling the part would be for me a 1/2 day excursion considering I live >1hr from any JYs (assuming the part is still there when I get to the JY).

As far as time value of money is concerned, this seems like a reasonable price to me.

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Lots of good info in this thread. A recent test drive in a GT350 Mustang got me thinking about swapping to a manual trans in my '97. But, I'm already at ~500 ft-lbs of torque at the crankshaft, and want to go higher with better cylinder heads and a more efficient supercharger in the future. So, I take it that rules out T45s and TR3650s. True? Do I need to go T56 Magnum or Magnum XL? Would a TKO 5-Speed work in an MN12? I'd like to take on something known to work, rather than blaze a new trail.

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The factory Cobra spec T56 is only about as strong as the T45, and the TR3650 is a bit stronger than both supposedly. All of these transmissions weak link are the 10 spline input shafts, swap in a 26 spline input shaft in any and they're basically bullet proof. TKO I don't know a ton about but they should fit but shifter location may prove troublesome(as it would a Cobra T56, T45 or pre-05 TR3650), I don't know if they can be configured for S197s or F bodies but that option would line them up with the factory hole. Best option IMO would be the TR6060, those are basically an improved T56, used in the GT500, with the remote shifter

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I would prefer a trans with a mechanical speedo drive.
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I would prefer a trans with a mechanical speedo drive.
T-56 Magnum, the "aftermarket" version of the TR-6060, but with both mechanical and electronic pickups for speedo.

Personally, I'm thinking of the MT-82 in the current cars. Better ratios where only 6th is an OD, 5th is 1:1.

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The MT-82 has issues if strength is a concern, there's quite a lot of angst revolving around them on Mustang forums.

Any stock 99+ Mustang transmission is going to have a magnetic reluctor setup, leaving you with 96-98 T45s, which aren't too great. I'd just get a SpeedCal, you can dial it in to be even more accurate than the mechanical setups to boot.
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The MT-82 has issues if strength is a concern, there's quite a lot of angst revolving around them on Mustang forums.

Any stock 99+ Mustang transmission is going to have a magnetic reluctor setup, leaving you with 96-98 T45s, which aren't too great. I'd just get a SpeedCal, you can dial it in to be even more accurate than the mechanical setups to boot.
Yeah, and Mustang guys tend to beat the shit out of the cars/transmissions too.

From what I've read, an aftermarket shifter helps a lot of the MT-82 issues, and the reality is that I'll be shifting much more casually than the Mustang guys. I don't dragstrip, I'm not going to be making a ton of power, looking at around 350crank as of right now if my calculations are correct, so I'm not very worried about it for the time being. That's if I go with it. Could keep the auto and get a Gear Vendors unit too, as that would get me the double over I want for highway cruising, drop me down to 2000 at 75 or so.

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I'm saying in Mike B's 500 ft-lbs of torque case. The conscientious seems to be that the 5.0 is a wee bit too powerful for that transmission

If you can't beat the shit out of it, it's a crappy transmission
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The MT-82 had issues with the fluid at the beginning but it seems to have been sorted out. The body mounted shifter also seems to have been part of the issue, but a there are aftermarket solutions that take care of that.
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Yeah, and Mustang guys tend to beat the shit out of the cars/transmissions too.

From what I've read, an aftermarket shifter helps a lot of the MT-82 issues, and the reality is that I'll be shifting much more casually than the Mustang guys. I don't dragstrip, I'm not going to be making a ton of power, looking at around 350crank as of right now if my calculations are correct, so I'm not very worried about it for the time being. That's if I go with it. Could keep the auto and get a Gear Vendors unit too, as that would get me the double over I want for highway cruising, drop me down to 2000 at 75 or so.
I think you should rule out a gearvendors unit, I am not sure where you would find a place to shove that under our cars. The OBS Ford world they where somewhat common, I have driven an IDI turbo truck that had one, I wasn't to found of how positive a shit it made, it was always the same kind of pound, not that I minded it to much, it was comparable to a 400hp J-Mod 1-2 shift.
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Apparently Mustang pedals work
thread revival, I seem to have found a few for around 75$, who has made these work? I may be changing DD's soon, and the birds transmission is definitely on borrowed time, I think the only thing saving it is the transynd it constantly gets because it leaks so bad. So I need to get cracking. I may try and find a t45, theres one for sale locally but homie wants 700$ because it came out of a cobra. I guess he assumes its different then all the other t45s since it was in a cobra. Maybe he will take 500$. Guess we will see.

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05-08 TR3650 or bust. That is all.

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05-10. Know the shit you're a snob about for god sakes!

But I agree For that kind of money remote shifter TR3650s are aplenty in good condition, and those figures are way too much for any T45 IMO. The 99 to early 01s are the best internally(strongest forks, carbon blockers), but they use an electric speedo like the TR3650s. If your dream is to use the Mustang pedal assembly and need the fork provision, don't bother. The one guy who did it won't be coming back around here to share how he did it and he himself was planing to convert to hydraulic anyway so it obviously wasn't well sorted.

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05-10. Know the shit you're a snob about for god sakes!

But I agree For that kind of money remote shifter TR3650s are aplenty in good condition, and those figures are way too much for any T45 IMO. The 99 to early 01s are the best internally(strongest forks, carbon blockers), but they use an electric speedo like the TR3650s. If your dream is to use the Mustang pedal assembly and need the fork provision, don't bother. The one guy who did it won't be coming back around here to share how he did it and he himself was planing to convert to hydraulic anyway so it obviously wasn't well sorted.
Whatever lol. I successfully did it so long ago that I've forgotten some details. I still can't figure out how Smokymance made the MGW fit in his car and mine hits the trans tunnel as I raise the trans into the car. Boggles my mind.

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05-08 TR3650 or bust. That is all.
wise man once say, beggars not be choosers.

I'm just rich enough to afford nice enough things that make me poor.
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05-10. Know the shit you're a snob about for god sakes!

But I agree For that kind of money remote shifter TR3650s are aplenty in good condition, and those figures are way too much for any T45 IMO. The 99 to early 01s are the best internally(strongest forks, carbon blockers), but they use an electric speedo like the TR3650s. If your dream is to use the Mustang pedal assembly and need the fork provision, don't bother. The one guy who did it won't be coming back around here to share how he did it and he himself was planing to convert to hydraulic anyway so it obviously wasn't well sorted.
oh so the mustang pedal is completely different then an sc pedal. I need an alternative to an sc pedal, you can find them but they seem to cost like 200 dollars.

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oh so the mustang pedal is completely different then an sc pedal. I need an alternative to an sc pedal, you can find them but they seem to cost like 200 dollars.
Wha? Thats more than I paid for some donor cars.
I suggest you look for a donor car.
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oh so the mustang pedal is completely different then an sc pedal. I need an alternative to an sc pedal, you can find them but they seem to cost like 200 dollars.
One was on ebay a few weeks back for a bit more than 200. Looks like someone bought it after a week of being listed.

I like the parts car idea. If I can't find a parts car I'm probably going to have to keep an eye out for a while, and buy another 200$ one on Ebay.
I posted here a while ago looking for one but that was before I knew how rare they are.

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there has to be an alternative. I will have to do research and see. What about a clutch pedal from an S10, I know the option is to use the slave cylinder from an s10 on t45's?

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Pedals are very platform specific in modern cars, components like slaves can be adapted interchange but pedals and their cages? You may as well try bolting a S10 front clip to a Tbird.
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wise man once say, beggars not be choosers.

I'm just rich enough to afford nice enough things that make me poor.
Wise man also say, if you can't afford to do a proper 5 speed swap, don't try.
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your right, I should probably just give up.

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your right, I should probably just give up.
Nah, scounge the yards, craigslist around your area. If you use SearchTempest: Search all of Craigslist nationwide & more, you can search all the listings within a pre-defined area.

I'm still planning on a T-56 myself, I keep toying with plans for gear ratios and all, but some day I'll take the jump and do it.

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Just go on SCCoA and find yourself an SC pedal. Really trying to make something else work here is just inviting failure. Don't give up. A T45 swap can be done for less than the cost of a rebuilt 4r70.

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Just go on SCCoA and find yourself an SC pedal. Really trying to make something else work here is just inviting failure. Don't give up. A T45 swap can be done for less than the cost of a rebuilt 4r70.
So for less than $1200?

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For the T-45, Absolutely. I tallied the cost for my swap once and it ended up just over half that figure.

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My first T45 swap was done for right around $1200, and at that time, T45s weren't as cheap as they are now. If you search around for parts, and do all the work yourself, yes, you can definitely do the complete swap for under $1200, especially if you already have some kind of tuner setup. If you have to get an xcal or pay for a tune, then it will likely be more.
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