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NASCAR engines getting EFI

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I was wondering how long it would take NASCAR to make this move. Honestly, I think NASCAR should be like it was in the 60's. Using stock, minimally modified bodies and factory offered engines. Oh yeah, stock cars. Imagine that...

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And I'll take this opportunity to welcome NASCAR to the year 1987.
more like 1984.

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... Honestly, I think NASCAR should be like it was in the 60's. Using stock, minimally modified bodies and factory offered engines. Oh yeah, stock cars. Imagine that...
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Yeah, that would make it more interesting for sure. It's a good idea until I think of this -

Then the whole safety thing comes into play - and that's where the non-stock part of the game starts creeping in. Remember Adam Petty in 2000, then Dale Earnhardt in 2001? They would never take steps backwards in safety, and when it comes down to it - the street safety emplacements in even the newest, most advanced cars out today just wouldn't cut it in the NASCAR track environment.

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I dont remember ADam Petty's circumstance but Earnhardt's had nothing to do with body construction.
- except maybe the Nascar mandate killed him.

Watch the video, he didnt hit that hard. A freak angle of collision snapped his neck. One of those cases where 'if he'd been drunk, he'd have walked away from it.'

I've gotten a lot of Earnhardt fans P#$$@d off at me over the years.
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- ironic his own patented maneuver did him in, when someone else did it to him.

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Yeah, that would make it more interesting for sure. It's a good idea until I think of this -

Then the whole safety thing comes into play - and that's where the non-stock part of the game starts creeping in. Remember Adam Petty in 2000, then Dale Earnhardt in 2001? They would never take steps backwards in safety, and when it comes down to it - the street safety emplacements in even the newest, most advanced cars out today just wouldn't cut it in the NASCAR track environment.
Shure it would be safe. Put a roll cage in the cars, hans device, helmet, etc. and leave the factory air bags in the cars! They'd be fine. Remember we're talking about mildly modified FROM THE FACTORY engines. Make 'em take an off the lot car with an off the lot engine and race that. Just like they did in the early days of NASCAR.

Remember "Win on Sunday, sell on Monday" ?

I'm sure that was before your time. It's certainly before mine.

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If anything, it would be a swift kick in the arse to automakers to make cars people would like to have as far as reliability and performance goes.

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Shure it would be safe. Put a roll cage in the cars, hans device, helmet, etc. and leave the factory air bags in the cars! They'd be fine. Remember we're talking about mildly modified FROM THE FACTORY engines. Make 'em take an off the lot car with an off the lot engine and race that. Just like they did in the early days of NASCAR.

Remember "Win on Sunday, sell on Monday" ?

I'm sure that was before your time. It's certainly before mine.

There's nothing "Stock" about stock car racing anymore.
I understand your points, and I definitely agree that there isn't anything stock about "stock car" racing anymore. But I humbly disagree that it would be safe to race a street car with (our without) a roll cage at speeds of 100+ MPH against 40 other cars on an oval. I rest my case.

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That's why racing drivers get paid what they do.

A properly designed cage will be plenty safe in a street based car. Rally cars, GT cars, ect still are starting out with unibodys and surviving some very hairy crashes.

And speaking of safety, where do the 700+ horsepower V8 engines, RWD layout, and coupe body shape play into that equation(granted I'm referring to the fusions, camerys, and impalas)?

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I dont remember ADam Petty's circumstance but Earnhardt's had nothing to do with body construction.
- except maybe the Nascar mandate killed him.

Watch the video, he didnt hit that hard. A freak angle of collision snapped his neck. One of those cases where 'if he'd been drunk, he'd have walked away from it.'

I've gotten a lot of Earnhardt fans P#$$@d off at me over the years.
- Nothing like 'hit the wall at 180'
- ironic his own patented maneuver did him in, when someone else did it to him.
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Last time I checked LeMans and Petite Le Mans GT-I and GT-II classes are just that, roll cage in stock unibody, and they can approach 180mph.

The difference "bumping" is only accepted in NASCAR, everywhere else you must actually pass someone... Well except of destruction derbies.

Though my question is SFI, MPI, DI, or TBI? Ok one more, why not use the best EFI system out there Ford? (Even the aftermarket says this).

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I understand your points, and I definitely agree that there isn't anything stock about "stock car" racing anymore. But I humbly disagree that it would be safe to race a street car with (our without) a roll cage at speeds of 100+ MPH against 40 other cars on an oval. I rest my case.
I think they should do it even if its not safe. I would actually watch NASCAR then since it would be entertaining seeing how the different cars are performing, not a bunch of the same car. I am sure lots of them get paid enough to assume the risk already. The people who are still worried about losing their lives or being hurt even after getting paid should get out of the game. NASCAR is extremely boring to me. Throwing some sort of variable into this would make it more interesting and it would actually sell cars on "performance" instead of just making me watch a group cookie-cutter moving billboards on the track. Of course this will never happen, but I know it would be better!

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I was wondering how long it would take NASCAR to make this move. Honestly, I think NASCAR should be like it was in the 60's. Using stock, minimally modified bodies and factory offered engines. Oh yeah, stock cars. Imagine that...
Supercar V8 series: Stock bodies panels (not all) from factory, Better rollcages, Drivers has to use mirrors, Plus the drivers door open not 'Dukes of hazard...
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Better show because they are on a road course.
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But that's in Australia though. We need something like that here in the states, not this current joke of racing called NASCAR.

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Better show because they are on a road course.
I find the NASCAR races that take place at road courses just as boring as the ovals.

I just see no fun in watching bilboards atop generic car shapes with identical drivetrains. I may as well be watching bumpercars.

I think it's the difference between being a fan of the car or being a fan of the driver. I like the car, and NASCAR hasn't catered to the many other people like me since the early 70's when they outlawed everything interesting.

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But that's in Australia though. We need something like that here in the states, not this current joke of racing called NASCAR.
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Oh yes! This would also help spice things up with NASCAR!

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there's also rally racing which must be built from cars with a minimum production run of 2500 cars.
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Back in the day homologation was a requirement in NASCAR too. Hence the Daytona/Superbird, Boss 429 Mustangs(for the engines), Torino Talledega, even as late as the 80's there was the Gbody Monte Carlo aerocoupe and Grand Prix 2+2.

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Back in the day homologation was a requirement in NASCAR too. Hence the Daytona/Superbird, Boss 429 Mustangs(for the engines), Torino Talledega, even as late as the 80's there was the Gbody Monte Carlo aerocoupe and Grand Prix 2+2.
Which Dodge cheated on the Superbird, lied on the numbers.

And NASCAR is why we have the MN-12.

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Which Dodge cheated on the Superbird, lied on the numbers.

And NASCAR is why we have the MN-12.
I credit the MN12 as a whole more to the 80s German coupes and sedans than the NASCAR influence. The styling was the only part that was used in racing. The whole auto industry was on the path to utilise the benefits of aero by the late 80s anyway do to ever increasing CAFE standards at the time.

Superbird production exceeded the requirement according to the stats I'm seeing (500 required in 69 for the daytona, 1,000 produced. 1,920 or 1 for every 2 dealers required in 70 for the Superbird, approx 1,935 produced).

Lied or not these were much more interesting and entertaining times. The sky was the limit on what one company could have done to one up the other. Too bad it ended so abruptly.

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nascar is dumb, who likes to watch 30 to 40 cars, all the same style and drivetrain, all driving in a circle.
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Well 90% of the populance in general are inept morons, how hard can it be to fill the stands in NASCAR country?

They'd be drawing many more NEW fans if they made some serious changes in regards to factory based cars. There's much more people that I talk to who want that future than people who are content (or even devout fans of) the current loud circular billboards.

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But that's in Australia though. We need something like that here in the states, not this current joke of racing called NASCAR.
We do have something with rules like that, unfortunately it's not sedans running around the track because our sedans suck. It's porsches and mustangs and the occasional vette and Ferrari. We've got no GT racing with family cars because we've got very few 4 door cars worth driving. We get a weak Taurus SHO, they get a 450hp Boss Falcon, RWD IRS.

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I Love Watching Billboards Run Around In Circles

NASCAR is all about the sponsors money and not the fans anymore. The cars are nothing but big billboards. If they didn't put a sticker on the front of each car showing the manufacturer they are imitating, you wouldn't know one car from another. Innovation is not allowed in NASCAR.

I agree, put "Stock" back into stock car racing. NASCAR should be called billboard racing.
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