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post #31 of 35 (permalink) Old 11-06-2012, 08:03 AM
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Matt, I agree that the Germans tended to do a lot more engineering in their cars early on, in my experience they just tended to break and be quite expensive. But to your point, most the people that had them didn't work on them; they turned the cars over to a mechanic, so that will most likely skew my argument.

Rick, the Germans have a lot of great designs and inventions. The problem is, they tend to over engineer without necessarily making things more robust. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. German history is impressive, but in the current world, I would rather have a car that does the same task more simply, cheaply, and reliably.

Good points in this thread. I wish Lincoln could provide a product that stood out from Ford and their competition a bit, but I don't see a way for them to change.

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A lot of the expense and lack of owner maintenance is the result of the price point exclusivity the German "luxury" makes have foisted upon us. In Europe where they're as common and as expensive as Crown Vics(and used in similar capacity) they're much much cheaper to maintain.

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Currently I dont think they play up what they have well. The MKZ comes with an optional SHO motor and is more loaded if that is possible and quieter..
Now if Lincoln did in fact have the SHO motor and AWD in the MKZ as you stated and not in the MKS as it actually does, they'd have something special.

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The International Scout had ABS in the 70s...
Those 'anti-lock' options were rear brake only - same thing with the Ford. Teve's 4 wheel anti-lock is a totally different animal.
And for what's it worth, they sucked...

94mncougar, I like some of the ideas German's have because I felt just the opposite - a lot of their ideas are very simple. Ever take a driveshaft out of an early 90s BMW? It has three bolts holding a simple design (similar to a rag joint) instead of u-joints. Very simple idea that works well.

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The last German car I went to take the drive shaft out of was an absolute pain in the @$$. Like I said, my opinion is based on my (terrible) experiences with them. I wish I could have the experiences that people that like them have had, but at this point, I don't want to deal with them.

XR7 - I agree completely on the cost being a location thing. I did a lot of overseas travel (SE Asia) and they were very common there, too. The maintenance was a lot cheaper, but I'm basing my opinion on my experiences here in MN.

All my whining aside, I would turn down an M3 if it showed up at my door

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