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Ford owners sue, saying EcoBoost engine defective
Tuesday, May 14, 2013 -- The Associated Press

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DETROIT — Three Ohio drivers are suing Ford Motor Co., claiming the company's six-cylinder EcoBoost engine is defective.

The lawsuit says the 3.5-liter V6 EcoBoost engine can shudder, shake and then rapidly lose power while drivers are accelerating. Two of the plaintiffs, a married couple, say their 2010 Ford Taurus SHO has lost power and stalled on multiple occasions. The third says he has lost power when he was accelerating in his F-150 pickup.

The lawsuit says more than 100 drivers have complained to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration about the V6 EcoBoost rattling or losing power. Ford hasn't recalled any vehicles for the alleged defect, and NHTSA hasn't opened an investigation, which is often the first step in the recall process.

The lawsuit claims Ford has acknowledged the problem in messages to dealers, but hasn't informed owners.

Ford declined to comment Tuesday, saying it hasn't seen the lawsuit. The company wouldn't say how many vehicles it has sold with the V6 EcoBoost engine.

Ford has been selling vehicles equipped with the V6 EcoBoost since late 2009. It's an option on the Ford Flex, Taurus SHO, Lincoln MKT and Lincoln MKS sedans from the 2010-2013 model years; the F-150 pickup from the 2011-2013 model years; and the Ford Explorer Sport from the 2013 model year.

Ford also makes four-cylinder and three-cylinder EcoBoost engines, but those aren't cited in the lawsuit. All three engines use turbocharging and direct injection to give them the power of a larger engine with the fuel economy of a smaller one.

The lawsuit was filed late last week in U.S. District Court in Columbus. A similar lawsuit involving different drivers was filed last month in U.S. District Court in Louisiana.

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Is it me, or does someone decribing their engine as shuddering, shaking, and losing power sound rudimentary? Sounds like a misfire. lol!

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I've had my EcoBoosted F-150 for just over 2 years. Although I've only put on about 8K miles so far it only gave me trouble one time that was like a horrible misfire. I pulled over, shut it off, started it back up and it has been fine since, that was a few months ago.

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Probably just bad gas
ya right highly doubtful .

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ya right highly doubtful .
You might be surprised. I cant tell you how many cars we have had to drain tanks on this past month because of bad gas. People are stupid too, im sure that the ecoboost takes premium fuel so who knows what kind of crap some are pumping into their brand new cars or trucks. Or maybe they just dont understand how turbos work.

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ya right highly doubtful .
Really? Because ecoboost has been on the market for 4 years, there's only 100 complaints and there's some poorly run gas stations out there. The symptoms described scream bad gas.

Good to see litigation continues to impede innovation.

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You might be surprised. I cant tell you how many cars we have had to drain tanks on this past month because of bad gas. People are stupid too, im sure that the ecoboost takes premium fuel so who knows what kind of crap some are pumping into their brand new cars or trucks. Or maybe they just dont understand how turbos work.
That's probably the case. Ford recommends premium on ecoboost engines but also market them on being able to run on 87 just fine, which they do. That is until 100 or so owners fill up with 87, put the pedal to the metal and have all their timing pulled by the knock sensors. Oh em gee, shuddering, loss of power while accelerating? Better call the lawyers, can't be bothered to read an owners manual or take it to the dealership first!

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You might be surprised. I cant tell you how many cars we have had to drain tanks on this past month because of bad gas. People are stupid too, im sure that the ecoboost takes premium fuel so who knows what kind of crap some are pumping into their brand new cars or trucks. Or maybe they just dont understand how turbos work.

Yes Really !!!

Very true, The wife here has a best friend with a ecoboost, Always run 93+ in it , And I understand that they have had the same issues .

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I worked on one today with a misfire, the issue is when the truck misfires it goes to limp mode for protection but still runs just fine and drives normal, truck had 60k miles and it was time for plugs, also we installed a tune, air intake and 170 thermostat, the truck is a beast, there aren't any trucks that will run like that period unless u add a blower or really hop up diesael, my sho has been fine and per readings have only seen this problem on trucks, people trying to sue are just just sorry crap in my book, I mean vehicles need spark plugs there's no guarantee they will go 100k miles u guys want my input the ecoboost is the fastest thing around for a stock motor

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I worked on one today with a misfire, the issue is when the truck misfires it goes to limp mode for protection but still runs just fine and drives normal, truck had 60k miles and it was time for plugs, also we installed a tune, air intake and 170 thermostat, the truck is a beast, there aren't any trucks that will run like that period unless u add a blower or really hop up diesael, my sho has been fine and per readings have only seen this problem on trucks, people trying to sue are just just sorry crap in my book, I mean vehicles need spark plugs there's no guarantee they will go 100k miles u guys want my input the ecoboost is the fastest thing around for a stock motor

Got that right chief , The friends SHO is a beast for stock. Reminds me of my dads big cubic inches and carbs(2-4barrels) for stock power.

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Look at my sho ran 13.55 at 102-105 mph bone stock, I'm more impressed with the car ever time I drive it

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Look at my sho ran 13.55 at 102-105 mph bone stock, I'm more impressed with the car ever time I drive it
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Got a buddy with the sho and performance package (think thats the name of it) ups the power some and a few other things. He loves his and yes beats it daily. Had a few of the 150's in the shop. All were fixed with the cat and cooler tsb performed on them. Other then that Haven't had any in our dealership for work.
Well 1 guy with more money then sense. He has a 150 ecoboost , trucks not even out of warrant and all ready spent almost 30k on 2 Non warranty repairs.
And yes there is bad gas out there and dumb owners. Gas put in a diesel , diesel in a gas engine. Who buys a diesel and puts DEF fluid in the wrong hole then wants to blame someone else for there own incompetent. Its not rocket science here. lol
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Performance package does not add power, my car has it also, lower final drive ratio, can fully turn off traction control, different spring and sway bar package

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One of my good friends has an F-150 Ecoboost and has put over 45,000 miles on it.

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there are a few guys on f150forum.com that have had issues, followed through on the TSB for a revised intercooler and have not had any more problems. It seems as though the earlier models had issues, whereas the 2013 models are supposed to have the newer IC. A few of the "smarter" members on the forum have postulated that maybe the IC/Heat Exchangers are a little to effective in cold weather and cause condensation within the intake.

I am pondering trading in my black Lariat for an EcoBoost truck next year. My mom picked up a 2.0L Ecoboost Escape last friday and its definitely a fun truck to drive

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I tell u there is a bunch of cry babies out there

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"Oh no, I feel the engine running. That's terrible!" Pansies...

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"Oh no, I feel the engine running. That's terrible!" Pansies...

Just maybe they want something that they paid over 30k for to be right ,I know I would . And that is not being a pansie or anything else.

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Funny that they're now reporting LESS than 100 complaints. Contrary to the "more than 100 complaints" of the original article. Gotta love yellow journalism.

By the way, have any of the 95 people actually gone to the dealership and have this checked out before calling their attorneys? You know, it says right here:

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NHTSA says Ford told dealers how to fix the issue but hasn't alerted owners. NHTSA investigations often lead to recalls.
So take it to the ****ing dealership, describe the problem and have them fix it dumbasses!!!


Also interesting:

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Ford owners in Ohio and Louisiana recently sued Ford in federal court, claiming the EcoBoost engine is defective because it loses power during acceleration.
So...

Whiners with bad gas: Owner puts in 87 at Uncle JoeBobs ethyl hut - Owner goes WOT - EEC senses knock - EEC pulls timing - engine goes into limp mode - loss of acceleration.

Whiners with good gas: Owner goes WOT in the rain like a jackass - ABS sensors detect wheelspin - EEC pulls timing - brakes applied are applied - loss of acceleration.


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it does not matter how much the vehicle cost! Period the reason I say this is its a performance truck with turbos the spark plugs will not take the usuall 90 plus thousand miles I'm seeing them make almost 60k miles it only normal wear if plugs changed at 30k problem solved, it's not a issue, people are buying a hotrod truck it take more normal maintence, period, and as said before there is a fix for the issue if they would just carry it to the dealer, but it's prolly a recall only if your truck has the problem as they all do not encounter this problem, and I know first hand from running a blower alot of years that not everytime u gun it, it's not gonna be perfect as its much harder for a plug to fire under higher cylinder pressures, also with over 400,000 trucks and 95 complaints that's what less than 1 percent isant it

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Forgive me for even starting this thread , The wife is in the market for a Ecoboost and we were just wondering about the issues .

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Darren if Ford know how to fix it I wouldn't worry, I'd figure most new vehicles already have the fix.

As for the cause I lean toward operator in that most people are not accustomed to dealing with boosted vehicle.

I'd be more concerned about the Super Duty steering issue than this. We recently had a friend get his F350 totaled because of it, Ford did give him a new vehicle (he chose a HD Silverado though, can't say I blame him).

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Well it's just a boosted motor reacts differently, I've researched this some today I've seen 0 issues on sho forums I've only found the issues on the 11-12 f150, and I've been told the 13s had the fix from locals here, but from my knowledge and customers with these trucks in our area do not have the problem so I guess it's weather related

Darren the thread is fine ill put it another way u know how u are getting to much meth and making the car hiccup well same type of issue but ford has the technology to cut power when this happens does not mean the truck still doesn't run and drive normal it's just not gonna go full throttle, as the systems today are very advanced, the technology is pretty sweet but it's getting to the point were u need the ford diagnostics or a high end scan tool like I have which I have just over 10 grand in

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Ecoboost v6 is what I referring to I'm unaware of the 4 cylinder models but I've read good things and great mileage

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Well it's just a boosted motor reacts differently, I've researched this some today I've seen 0 issues on sho forums I've only found the issues on the 11-12 f150, and I've been told the 13s had the fix from locals here, but from my knowledge and customers with these trucks in our area do not have the problem so I guess it's weather related

Darren the thread is fine ill put it another way u know how u are getting to much meth and making the car hiccup well same type of issue but ford has the technology to cut power when this happens does not mean the truck still doesn't run and drive normal it's just not gonna go full throttle, as the systems today are very advanced, the technology is pretty sweet but it's getting to the point were u need the ford diagnostics or a high end scan tool like I have which I have just over 10 grand in

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Ecoboost v6 is what I referring to I'm unaware of the 4 cylinder models but I've read good things and great mileage
Thank you Robert , Hope that we can get the hiccups cured that will help a great deal , Had the same problem Sunday, Linda asked me you want a new Eco truck?
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I'd love to have a truck but there's no way I can afford it along with the sho, my truck does just fine only 60k miles it tows just fine it's not a big power house like the ecoboost truck, but it's cool I got a buddy with the one I modded I can drive it if need be

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Our Flex has had issues and not with the engine. I have had it burp once when getting into it and scared the snot out of me, get outta the throttle and all was well but nothing otherwise.

And it runs fine on 87. Prefers 93 with the tune but expect that.

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