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Ford: We'll be mass-producing self-driving cars within five years

Ford: We'll be mass-producing self-driving cars within five years.

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Today is a milestone moment in Ford’s history.

We’re announcing our intent to have fully autonomous vehicles in commercial operation for a ride-hailing or ride-sharing service beginning in 2021. This is significant. Ford will be mass producing vehicles capable of driving fully autonomously within five years. No steering wheel. No gas pedals. No brake pedals. A driver will not be required.

If someone had told you 10 years ago -- even five years ago -- that a major American car company would announce the mass production of a vehicle with no steering wheel, you would have said they were crazy.

As little as four years ago, our approach was aligned with the thinking of most automakers today, which is taking incremental steps to achieve full autonomy by advancing driver assist technology. This is not how we look at it today. We learned that to achieve full autonomy, we’d have to take a completely different pathway.

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Yay, a world where lazy frail old fucks get ushered around in what are effectively private trolley cars even sooner!

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I am torn on automated cars.

On the plus side, they'll abide by road laws, so they will drive to the right, keep an even speed, and signal. They won't hog the passing lane, brake check you, etc.

On the negative side, how long till they're "mandated", and will they have some kind of manual control option?

I don't want to be a passenger in my own car. I want to drive it, be in control of it.

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I don't think mandating is what we'll have to worry about, it's how many burdens are passed onto manually driven cars by way of taxes, fines, fuel, insurance, ect.

The pollyannas I see commenting who are all in on this are patronizingly attempting to reassure us car loving luddites that embracing an autonomous future will make the world better for us too, yet are completely overlooking(or glossing over) the financial toll of this. This approach is essentially a ride sharing program by which you own the ride but you don't necessarily have control over it until it's needed (basically owning a slave chauffeur), so the responsibilities of insurance speed enforcement and even fuel(if they're electric) are all brought into question, and if these aren't burdens autonomous riders have that lost revenue will ultimately have to be transferred to us manual operators, which will ultimately result in making driving an occasional recreational activity for the RICH. Fuck them, fuck Google and fuck Ford.
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I'm all for automated cars as long as they are confined to California.

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I don't think mandating is what we'll have to worry about, it's how many burdens are passed onto manually driven cars by way of taxes, fines, fuel, insurance, ect.

The pollyannas I see commenting who are all in on this are patronizingly attempting to reassure us car loving luddites that embracing an autonomous future will make the world better for us too, yet are completely overlooking(or glossing over) the financial toll of this. This approach is essentially a ride sharing program by which you own the ride but you don't necessarily have control over it until it's needed (basically owning a slave chauffeur), so the responsibilities of insurance speed enforcement and even fuel(if they're electric) are all brought into question, and if these aren't burdens autonomous riders have that lost revenue will ultimately have to be transferred to us manual operators, which will ultimately result in making driving an occasional recreational activity for the RICH. Fuck them, fuck Google and fuck Ford.
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I'm all for automated cars as long as they are confined to California.
Fuck that, we are getting the Hyperloop.
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Why does that remind me of this:

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... seriously, its been a long delayed project - mass transit from SF to LA would be awesome. Then take it from LA to Vegas and were good to go.
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I believe this is headed toward a "no ownership society". We see it already with computer software. What a set up for the manufacturer, monthly fees creating an endless stream of income and screw the public, we can do what we want. Americans are selling out their freedom for what they think is safety.

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I believe this is headed toward a "no ownership society". We see it already with computer software. What a set up for the manufacturer, monthly fees creating an endless stream of income and screw the public, we can do what we want. Americans are selling out their freedom for what they think is safety.
Safety will probably be it's undoing anyway. The proponents seem to love bringing up autopilot for planes and rail but planes aren't clustered in traffic and dodging obsticales, and trains are on fucking rails! A dweeb with a soldering iron and $20 worth of components could whip up an autopilot system for a ye olde tyme locomotive and probably be 90% as effective as what the railroads actually have! A handful of googlemobiles under intense scrutiny and an ultraluxury car in the beta testing phase to me don't represent the true picture of that future. In a scale as small as autonomous cars currently are flying cars could be viable. But when you have mass production to contend with and buggy software and software updates muddying the waters I can almost garuntee at the very least the accident rate won't go down from whatever it is today, even if the entire fleet were forced into it.

I think the social aspect is blown out of proportion, it seems to me like a pseudo futuristic counter to the new urbanism movement, younger people have been flocking into dense cities for the car free lifestyle but many ultimately realize what their grandparents did and don't want to put up with the tradeoffs(noise, crime, cost) so they roll out this solution to keep the sprawling suburban lifestyle viable but without the car burden city dwellers are attracted to. Good news is last time that happened was with streetcars in the turn of the century, and since they were privately owned entities the next cheapest solution prevailed - privately owned and operated cars!

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