Possible Future Combination

MikeB · 09-25-2009, 04:23 PM

Not going to happen soon, but a possible future combination I discussed with Livernois Motorsports was P&P PI heads with my SVO blower. The advantage would be somewhat higher intake port flow and much higher exhaust port flow, which I now believe is the primary limiting factor for making power with my engine. Presumably the blower would need to be slowed down significantly due to the higher static compression with PI heads. Anybody running an SVO on PIs? Does that combination bolt together without big issues?

RobertP · 09-25-2009, 05:11 PM

Yeap that's what I run pi heads with npi blwer but you gotta have the coolant port welded to match the heads and it makes more power than the npi heads hands down

Robert

MikeB · 10-06-2009, 10:28 AM

Robert,

Are you referring to a coolant port in the block or in the blower?

_95badbird · 10-06-2009, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeB

Robert,

Are you referring to a coolant port in the block or in the blower?

in the heads.

RobertP · 10-06-2009, 11:34 PM

blower it can heli arched how ever you spell my neighber did mine and the blower fits either head, do not do the head

RObert

rickiefrat · 11-06-2009, 07:38 AM

Does anyone have pictures of what really needs to be plugged on the blower for me to get a better idea of what it looks like.

I'm running a PI motor and just recieved a SVO blower. I'd like to get the ball moving in the install. I have gaskets from my buddies old PI motor that I asked him to save for me to match up to the blower. I can take pictures of what my gaskets look like resting on top of the blower upside down in the correct way that they'd be on the PI heads.

If RobertP wants to photoshop a circle of what needs to be "plugged" it'sd be great. I have a aluminum shop here that I called that can do the work. I just need to telll where it needs to be plugged.

Thanks guys and I'll be posting more and hopefully tunning it in January when the new gears get installed into the new rearend.

rickiefrat · 11-12-2009, 09:35 PM

Just bumping this to get better info ...

rickiefrat · 11-13-2009, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobertP

blower it can heli arched how ever you spell my neighber did mine and the blower fits either head, do not do the head

RObert

Hey Rob I got a pic of the underbelly of the blower - Could you point out what needs to be plugged? I do need to pick up a new set of gaskets to line them up right but it looks like the driver's side gasket (second pic) that I have will line up fine with all ports and holes. Am I missing something???

rickiefrat · 11-13-2009, 07:48 PM

I pulled out my ported PI heads and placed the gaskets on them.

This is a pick of the gaskets (PI) on the bottom of the blower.

Closer look at the gasket on the rear of the blower on the Pass Side.

Driver's side head with gasket ...

Pass side head with gasket .....

Looks like one side will be ok and the other i'm going to have problems with. What do I do now at this point?

95xbird · 11-14-2009, 03:43 PM

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rickiefrat · 11-16-2009, 07:03 PM

So I did some cleaning today to the SC. Is this the location that is supost to have the port fixed? When I placed my PI gasket on it, it looks like it doesn't interfear with the blower's port going to the cylinder. Here are the pics .....

Now I did notice a lip going around the coolant port on both sides - passenger side looked like it had more work done to it than the other side. With the gaskets on, I see no issues - UNLESS other wise you guys can tell me so.

RobertP · 11-17-2009, 10:04 AM

In the above picture it's not right ant it will leak antifreeze examine it closer

Robert

rickiefrat · 11-17-2009, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobertP

In the above picture it's not right ant it will leak antifreeze examine it closer

Robert

Thanks Rob - Is that the area that needs to be filled in partly to avoid the coolant leak? Looking at the picture of the port - its the top left of the passage correct? Its where the gasket overhangs the hole?

RobertP · 11-18-2009, 07:59 AM

Yes the inside close to blower part if u had a non pi gasket u would see a big difference

Robert

rickiefrat · 11-18-2009, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobertP

Yes the inside close to blower part if u had a non pi gasket u would see a big difference

Robert

Just got off the phone with the guy from the fab shop that can do the work - going to see him on next monday. He said that he does do the work. I'm going to see if my old gaskets are still on my old NPI motor at my buddies house - If not i'll pick up new ones and then exchange them for the PI style and not have to worry about getting those down the line.

I'll take pictures and post a new thread. Going to do a whole write up of adding a SVO blower to a PI engine.

RobertP · 11-18-2009, 04:56 PM

Well here's the thing that blower comes in pi version also u just happen to have the npi version

Robert

rickiefrat · 11-18-2009, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobertP

Well here's the thing that blower comes in pi version also u just happen to have the npi version

Robert

I kinda figured that - but doing what you said as far that port fill in per leakage - it will work correct??!!

94tealbird · 11-18-2009, 06:31 PM

If you want you can always sell me this kit

and just start over, I would either would like to do a simple blower install, or do something nobody else has done yet(that would be a year or so to do) either way good luck!

rickiefrat · 11-18-2009, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 94tealbird

If you want you can always sell me this kit

and just start over, I would either would like to do a simple blower install, or do something nobody else has done yet(that would be a year or so to do) either way good luck!

Well i'm not looking to install it yesterday - i'd like to get it on right and make it work at the same time with out too many headaches. I have everything - I just need to make it work first. If there are a few guys here that can make it happen - why not me as well?? I'll be different and no one will know till WOT.

95xbird · 11-19-2009, 07:48 AM

lol well even if you have the PI version they still wont know. But yeah everyone who has looked under my hood cannot seem to see or locate the snout of the supercharger. I think maybe 1 in every 10 may find it. They can hear it but are always confused. My supercharger is damn loud too thanks to the CAI I have. It just echo's through my inlet.

rickiefrat · 11-19-2009, 07:12 PM

If the rear ports of the coolant passage of the heads are blocked by the supercharger body - has anyone modded their rear ports to make the coolant flow and not over heat the heads?

rickiefrat · 11-23-2009, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobertP

Yes the inside close to blower part if u had a non pi gasket u would see a big difference

Robert

Did see the difference and showed the guy at the shop today. He told me $20 but I have to have clean the surface after the weld and so on. So now looking for a local machine shop to make the weld flat for the install to fit correctly. I'd do it myself but don't want to mess it up.

rickiefrat · 12-08-2009, 08:05 AM

So for my most recent update ....

Went by Laferriere Racing locatedd in Johnston RI and showed him what I was looking to do. He actually had a PI motor on a engine stand with out a intake. We placed the SC on the motor and I could see what needed to be welded. Now I also expressed the concern of there being no coolant flow through the heads. He (Eric) said that he can do a crossover from 1 head to the other for proper cooling.

Now the other machine shop was kinda sketchy so I backed away from him and when I talked to Eric, he told methat he use to install these things lke crazy back in the day and its been a long time since he see one.

Long story kinda short - either the first or second week in Jan, it will get dropped off for eveything to get done. Then I'll post pictures and hopefully a install article here.

09-25-2009, 04:23 PM	#1
MikeB 5th Gear Poster Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Novi, MI Car: 1997 Thunderbird Sport Engine: 4.6L-2V Posts: 418	Possible Future Combination Not going to happen soon, but a possible future combination I discussed with Livernois Motorsports was P&P PI heads with my SVO blower. The advantage would be somewhat higher intake port flow and much higher exhaust port flow, which I now believe is the primary limiting factor for making power with my engine. Presumably the blower would need to be slowed down significantly due to the higher static compression with PI heads. Anybody running an SVO on PIs? Does that combination bolt together without big issues? __________________ MikeB 1997 Thunderbird Sport 5.0L-2V NPI S/C 357 RWHP / 399 RWTQ 11.999 @ 113.4 MPH

09-25-2009, 05:11 PM	#2
RobertP Carolinas Crew Chief *Membership Expired* Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: carthage Car: 95 tbird Engine: 4.6 Age: 28 Posts: 747	Yeap that's what I run pi heads with npi blwer but you gotta have the coolant port welded to match the heads and it makes more power than the npi heads hands down Robert __________________ www.robstireandauto.com for all your car needs and parts check out our new 170 degree performance thermostat for your 2v 4.6 Blue Muscle Performance 86 bird 10.75 / best mph 128.35 (feathering it off the line) (Still adjusting the suspension) 95 bird - SVO Blower 1.75 60ft - 12.62 @ 106.71 7-8psi - true duals 1.60 60ft - 11.77 @ 114.59 All made possible with Braincoating’s ported manifolds 98 Gt 11.97 @ 113.58 (times dropping still) www.robstireandauto.com

10-06-2009, 10:28 AM	#3
MikeB 5th Gear Poster Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Novi, MI Car: 1997 Thunderbird Sport Engine: 4.6L-2V Posts: 418	Robert, Are you referring to a coolant port in the block or in the blower? __________________ MikeB 1997 Thunderbird Sport 5.0L-2V NPI S/C 357 RWHP / 399 RWTQ 11.999 @ 113.4 MPH

10-06-2009, 11:34 PM	#5
RobertP Carolinas Crew Chief *Membership Expired* Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: carthage Car: 95 tbird Engine: 4.6 Age: 28 Posts: 747	blower it can heli arched how ever you spell my neighber did mine and the blower fits either head, do not do the head RObert __________________ www.robstireandauto.com for all your car needs and parts check out our new 170 degree performance thermostat for your 2v 4.6 Blue Muscle Performance 86 bird 10.75 / best mph 128.35 (feathering it off the line) (Still adjusting the suspension) 95 bird - SVO Blower 1.75 60ft - 12.62 @ 106.71 7-8psi - true duals 1.60 60ft - 11.77 @ 114.59 All made possible with Braincoating’s ported manifolds 98 Gt 11.97 @ 113.58 (times dropping still) www.robstireandauto.com

11-06-2009, 07:38 AM	#6
rickiefrat 2nd Gear Poster Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Providence, RI Car: 1996 Mustang Engine: 281 / PI 4.6 Posts: 107	Does anyone have pictures of what really needs to be plugged on the blower for me to get a better idea of what it looks like. I'm running a PI motor and just recieved a SVO blower. I'd like to get the ball moving in the install. I have gaskets from my buddies old PI motor that I asked him to save for me to match up to the blower. I can take pictures of what my gaskets look like resting on top of the blower upside down in the correct way that they'd be on the PI heads. If RobertP wants to photoshop a circle of what needs to be "plugged" it'sd be great. I have a aluminum shop here that I called that can do the work. I just need to telll where it needs to be plugged. Thanks guys and I'll be posting more and hopefully tunning it in January when the new gears get installed into the new rearend. Last edited by rickiefrat : 11-12-2009 at 09:34 PM. Reason: asked wrong question

11-12-2009, 09:35 PM	#7
rickiefrat 2nd Gear Poster Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Providence, RI Car: 1996 Mustang Engine: 281 / PI 4.6 Posts: 107	Just bumping this to get better info ... __________________ 96 Mustang GT w/ PI Conversion

11-13-2009, 07:48 PM	#9
rickiefrat 2nd Gear Poster Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Providence, RI Car: 1996 Mustang Engine: 281 / PI 4.6 Posts: 107	I pulled out my ported PI heads and placed the gaskets on them. This is a pick of the gaskets (PI) on the bottom of the blower. Closer look at the gasket on the rear of the blower on the Pass Side. Driver's side head with gasket ... Pass side head with gasket ..... Looks like one side will be ok and the other i'm going to have problems with. What do I do now at this point? __________________ 96 Mustang GT w/ PI Conversion Last edited by rickiefrat : 11-13-2009 at 08:59 PM.

11-14-2009, 03:43 PM	#10
95xbird Pulls harder than TransAms TCCoA Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: West Seneca NY Car: 1995 Thunderbird PI SVO Engine: 04 PI SVO Age: 27 Posts: 4,237 View Photo Gallery 95xbird's Arcade Awards Aces High Challenge 95xbird!	........ __________________ 04 PI swap,SVO Supercharger 8-9 psi,Alcohol injection,39lbs Cobra injectors,XCal2-Walbro 190 LPH fuel pump,3.73 T-Lok,2003 4R70W built to withstand by RobertP,450hp JMOD,3500 dirtydog stall,trucool 4739 Trans Cooler,Dynotech 3.5 Driveshaft,70mm T/B,SCP Cold Air Intake,90mm LMAF,JBA headers,Magnaflow Midmount,No cats with 3inch piping,Vogtland 1.6inch drop,Cobra R's and xenon body kit. Its slow, Really. *LS1 KILLER*

11-16-2009, 07:03 PM	#11
rickiefrat 2nd Gear Poster Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Providence, RI Car: 1996 Mustang Engine: 281 / PI 4.6 Posts: 107	So I did some cleaning today to the SC. Is this the location that is supost to have the port fixed? When I placed my PI gasket on it, it looks like it doesn't interfear with the blower's port going to the cylinder. Here are the pics ..... Now I did notice a lip going around the coolant port on both sides - passenger side looked like it had more work done to it than the other side. With the gaskets on, I see no issues - UNLESS other wise you guys can tell me so. __________________ 96 Mustang GT w/ PI Conversion

11-17-2009, 10:04 AM	#12
RobertP Carolinas Crew Chief *Membership Expired* Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: carthage Car: 95 tbird Engine: 4.6 Age: 28 Posts: 747	In the above picture it's not right ant it will leak antifreeze examine it closer Robert __________________ www.robstireandauto.com for all your car needs and parts check out our new 170 degree performance thermostat for your 2v 4.6 Blue Muscle Performance 86 bird 10.75 / best mph 128.35 (feathering it off the line) (Still adjusting the suspension) 95 bird - SVO Blower 1.75 60ft - 12.62 @ 106.71 7-8psi - true duals 1.60 60ft - 11.77 @ 114.59 All made possible with Braincoating’s ported manifolds 98 Gt 11.97 @ 113.58 (times dropping still) www.robstireandauto.com

11-18-2009, 07:59 AM	#14
RobertP Carolinas Crew Chief *Membership Expired* Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: carthage Car: 95 tbird Engine: 4.6 Age: 28 Posts: 747	Yes the inside close to blower part if u had a non pi gasket u would see a big difference Robert __________________ www.robstireandauto.com for all your car needs and parts check out our new 170 degree performance thermostat for your 2v 4.6 Blue Muscle Performance 86 bird 10.75 / best mph 128.35 (feathering it off the line) (Still adjusting the suspension) 95 bird - SVO Blower 1.75 60ft - 12.62 @ 106.71 7-8psi - true duals 1.60 60ft - 11.77 @ 114.59 All made possible with Braincoating’s ported manifolds 98 Gt 11.97 @ 113.58 (times dropping still) www.robstireandauto.com

11-18-2009, 04:56 PM	#16
RobertP Carolinas Crew Chief *Membership Expired* Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: carthage Car: 95 tbird Engine: 4.6 Age: 28 Posts: 747	Well here's the thing that blower comes in pi version also u just happen to have the npi version Robert __________________ www.robstireandauto.com for all your car needs and parts check out our new 170 degree performance thermostat for your 2v 4.6 Blue Muscle Performance 86 bird 10.75 / best mph 128.35 (feathering it off the line) (Still adjusting the suspension) 95 bird - SVO Blower 1.75 60ft - 12.62 @ 106.71 7-8psi - true duals 1.60 60ft - 11.77 @ 114.59 All made possible with Braincoating’s ported manifolds 98 Gt 11.97 @ 113.58 (times dropping still) www.robstireandauto.com

11-18-2009, 06:31 PM	#18
94tealbird 2nd Gear Poster Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: michigan Car: 1994 thunderbird lx Engine: 4.6 Posts: 94	If you want you can always sell me this kit and just start over, I would either would like to do a simple blower install, or do something nobody else has done yet(that would be a year or so to do) either way good luck! __________________ 1994 thunderbird lx 4.6-93k exhaust, drive it like an old lady, get 24mpgs average(FOR SALE STILL.... ) 1990 thunderbird SC 5spd.- 3.8 SC- new trans, stage 2 clutch, 80mm mass air, 42lb injectors, CAI, 10% SC pulley, exhaust, lowered, .... Drive it on the nice days, Rarely..... AND ONE ACROSS MY BACK I WILL ALWAYS HAVE NEW ADDITION-1999 Crown Victoria P71- 135k, small local town, awsome shape, and Damn people think I'm a cop.....

11-19-2009, 07:48 AM	#20
95xbird Pulls harder than TransAms TCCoA Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: West Seneca NY Car: 1995 Thunderbird PI SVO Engine: 04 PI SVO Age: 27 Posts: 4,237 View Photo Gallery 95xbird's Arcade Awards Aces High Challenge 95xbird!	lol well even if you have the PI version they still wont know. But yeah everyone who has looked under my hood cannot seem to see or locate the snout of the supercharger. I think maybe 1 in every 10 may find it. They can hear it but are always confused. My supercharger is damn loud too thanks to the CAI I have. It just echo's through my inlet. __________________ 04 PI swap,SVO Supercharger 8-9 psi,Alcohol injection,39lbs Cobra injectors,XCal2-Walbro 190 LPH fuel pump,3.73 T-Lok,2003 4R70W built to withstand by RobertP,450hp JMOD,3500 dirtydog stall,trucool 4739 Trans Cooler,Dynotech 3.5 Driveshaft,70mm T/B,SCP Cold Air Intake,90mm LMAF,JBA headers,Magnaflow Midmount,No cats with 3inch piping,Vogtland 1.6inch drop,Cobra R's and xenon body kit. Its slow, Really. *LS1 KILLER*

11-19-2009, 07:12 PM	#21
rickiefrat 2nd Gear Poster Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Providence, RI Car: 1996 Mustang Engine: 281 / PI 4.6 Posts: 107	If the rear ports of the coolant passage of the heads are blocked by the supercharger body - has anyone modded their rear ports to make the coolant flow and not over heat the heads? __________________ 96 Mustang GT w/ PI Conversion

12-08-2009, 08:05 AM	#23
rickiefrat 2nd Gear Poster Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Providence, RI Car: 1996 Mustang Engine: 281 / PI 4.6 Posts: 107	So for my most recent update .... Went by Laferriere Racing locatedd in Johnston RI and showed him what I was looking to do. He actually had a PI motor on a engine stand with out a intake. We placed the SC on the motor and I could see what needed to be welded. Now I also expressed the concern of there being no coolant flow through the heads. He (Eric) said that he can do a crossover from 1 head to the other for proper cooling. Now the other machine shop was kinda sketchy so I backed away from him and when I talked to Eric, he told methat he use to install these things lke crazy back in the day and its been a long time since he see one. Long story kinda short - either the first or second week in Jan, it will get dropped off for eveything to get done. Then I'll post pictures and hopefully a install article here. __________________ 96 Mustang GT w/ PI Conversion

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