The Mark is Supercharged - Page 8

mlschultz · 10-13-2008, 08:16 AM

lol Your right

I think there has been less than 500 miles put on it since last October.

mlschultz · 10-15-2008, 09:21 PM

The compressor is on it's way back to Vortech. Should be there by this Friday. Ryan and Aric are calling Vortech next Tuesday to make sure they have it in hand, and to discuss what will be better for my application. Either a t-trim, or e-trim from what Ryan told me today, would be the best choices to pick from.

The difference between them, is how much cfm they produce, and how fast you can spin the impeller. T-trim has more cfm, and has a lower impeller max rpm speed than the E-trim.

Not sure if there are any disadvantages from one to the other, but it seems more people go with the more popular T-trim vs the E-trim.

Burbank 98 lsc · 10-17-2008, 06:35 PM

I vote for T trim as the horsepower you are looking to get(500rwhp+-) will be hard to make with E trim. E trim at around 500rwhp will be like 2003 cobra with eaton at 500rwhp(Heaton) and will create more heat and parastic loses than you like). Just buy T trim and see if you like it .If you don't like it then we can trade blowers my S trim for your T trim.

mlschultz · 10-20-2008, 08:27 AM

Yep, I think you are right. T-trim should get me where I want to be, with the added bonus of heavy duty parts.

96 GoldBird · 10-20-2008, 09:30 AM

T-Trim works for me:

-mike

mlschultz · 10-21-2008, 08:37 AM

Gotta love it...

mlschultz · 10-21-2008, 06:41 PM

Talked to Ryan, and he said the blower made it back to Vortech. After talking to the Vortech guy, everyone agrees The Mark needs a t-trim.

For now, they are going to pulley it back up to the Reichard Racing 3.1, since I already have that pulley. Vortech said I should be able to make around the same amount of boost using the 3.1 on the t-trim, as the 2.7 did on the s-trim.

No eta yet when Vortech is sending the blower back. 2 1/2 weeks to sshs8... The suspense is driving me crazy

96 GoldBird · 10-21-2008, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlschultz

For now, they are going to pulley it back up to the Reichard Racing 3.1, since I already have that pulley. Vortech said I should be able to make around the same amount of boost using the 3.1 on the t-trim, as the 2.7 did on the s-trim.

Don't throw away the 2.7 .... someone might need it

-mike

mlschultz · 10-22-2008, 06:44 PM

I hear ya, Mike. I think the 2.7 is on my car now with Aric's loaner blower, and will be changed out for the 3.1 when Vortech sends my blower back. Check with Ryan for availability - he maintains my inventory

No chance of throwing that away. At $150 a pop for a Reichard, they go in the save parts pile.

mlschultz · 12-04-2008, 12:30 PM

The Mark is going back to Aric's shop tomorrow to have the new T-trim blower installed, and re-tune it again.

They are also going to re-plumb the driver's side cam cover oil filler/vent so that it will now vent through a hose into the oil recovery tank hidden in the driver's fender. That should stop the oil spray from the cam cover vent going all over the engine and header.

And finally, they are going to replace that pesky aftercooler silicone coupler that kept popping off at SSHS8 last month.

That should do it for now... Have not set a time for Will to do the final feature photo shoot yet. More than likely, I will call him after Aric is done with The Mark to see when he is available.

mlschultz · 12-18-2008, 10:36 PM

The Mark is done. Just waiting for it's turn to get back on the dyno and dial it in for the T-trim. Ryan said they put a 3.3 pulley on it instead of the 3.1, and they are not going to spin the motor past 7k rpm's. There is a concern that fuel might be an issue now, so I guess we might see what the stock lines and rails can actually handle with the Ford GT fuel pump and the KBBAP.

I am really curious to see the dyno numbers and boost comparison between the s-trim and t-trim. Should make for some interesting reading.

mlschultz · 12-30-2008, 06:23 PM

The Mark is still at the shop relaxing while the guys take some time off for the holidays. Hope to have it home soon!

Some cool news though, Boze/ZEForged, the manufacturer that built the one of a kind forged wheels for The Mark, has posted pictures of the car in their website gallery

Check it out here: http://www.bozeforged.com/gallery.html

cougar9150 · 01-05-2009, 09:55 PM

Holy ish. Found this thread and read the whole thing through in one sitting. I am extremely envious, insanely nice car.

mlschultz · 01-10-2009, 02:41 PM

The Mark is all done, and back at home now.

The T-Trim ended up making the same horsepower as the S-Trim - except the T-trim is being under spinned with a giant 3.33 pulley on there while the S-Trim had a 2.7 pulley on it. Torque is down 20 due to the spool curve of that big pulley. Ryan is sending me the dyno sheet. I think the T-Trim made 16 psig at around 7k rpm.

The breather filter on the cam cover is history - spewed oil everywhere, and it has been modified to vent to the catch can /breather hidden in the fender now. The ipod is also in, and is now in the center console glove box.

Here are a couple pictures, and a video. Enjoy!

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/T...ONE_210647.htm

96 GoldBird · 01-12-2009, 09:19 AM

Actually, I think that's a good thing - getting the same power with less effort - the advantages of underspinning the blower is that there will be less wear and tear on the bearing, it takes less power to drive the blower, hence less parasitic loss, and the ACTs will be lower than they would be at full spin -- also a lot less chance of belt slip. The faster the turbine spins, the more compressed the air gets, so the resistance against spinning the blower increases, and of course the more highly compressed air is hotter. All-in-all, I think a safer, more dependable set up for the street and everyday driving. You've got plenty of hp and tq to play with, and you can try a smaller pulley when you set up for the Shootout next year.

Aric had GB on the rollers last week for her final tune, but an exhaust collector leak wreaked havoc on the A/F mix, so Aric had to scrap the WOT pull until the leak is fixed. He also has to install a SpeedCal to get the speedo calibrated to work with the 03 GT trans. Hopefully that all should be done this week.

I missed coming up for the Shootout this year. I'm gonna try really hard to make it next year, if it happens. Congrats on your results this year, and welcome to the 11's.

-mike

chris g · 01-12-2009, 10:41 AM

what size tires were the stock ones on the mark?

10-13-2008, 08:16 AM	#211
mlschultz 3rd Gear Poster Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Kennesaw, GA Car: 1998 Mark VIII LSC Engine: Vortech 4.6 Posts: 185	lol Your right I think there has been less than 500 miles put on it since last October. __________________ Mike 11.751 @ 120.80 SSHS8 Class D Runner-Up

10-15-2008, 09:21 PM	#212
mlschultz 3rd Gear Poster Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Kennesaw, GA Car: 1998 Mark VIII LSC Engine: Vortech 4.6 Posts: 185	The compressor is on it's way back to Vortech. Should be there by this Friday. Ryan and Aric are calling Vortech next Tuesday to make sure they have it in hand, and to discuss what will be better for my application. Either a t-trim, or e-trim from what Ryan told me today, would be the best choices to pick from. The difference between them, is how much cfm they produce, and how fast you can spin the impeller. T-trim has more cfm, and has a lower impeller max rpm speed than the E-trim. Not sure if there are any disadvantages from one to the other, but it seems more people go with the more popular T-trim vs the E-trim. __________________ Mike 11.751 @ 120.80 SSHS8 Class D Runner-Up

10-17-2008, 06:35 PM	#213
Burbank 98 lsc 3rd Gear Poster *Membership Expired* Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Braidwood IL Car: 1998 lincoln mark 8 Engine: 4.6 SC Age: 28 Posts: 131 View Photo Gallery	I vote for T trim as the horsepower you are looking to get(500rwhp+-) will be hard to make with E trim. E trim at around 500rwhp will be like 2003 cobra with eaton at 500rwhp(Heaton) and will create more heat and parastic loses than you like). Just buy T trim and see if you like it .If you don't like it then we can trade blowers my S trim for your T trim. __________________ Black 98 Lincoln Mark VIII LSC 10.64@ 128.16 mph 1998 Mark VIII collectors edition(SOLD) 2007 Mitsubishi Outlander V6(gas saver) 2006 Mercedes R500 4 Matic(family cruiser)

10-20-2008, 08:27 AM	#214
mlschultz 3rd Gear Poster Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Kennesaw, GA Car: 1998 Mark VIII LSC Engine: Vortech 4.6 Posts: 185	Yep, I think you are right. T-trim should get me where I want to be, with the added bonus of heavy duty parts. __________________ Mike 11.751 @ 120.80 SSHS8 Class D Runner-Up

10-20-2008, 09:30 AM	#215
96 GoldBird Seasoned PostWhore *Membership Expired* Join Date: May 2003 Location: Palm City, FL Car: 1996 LX Engine: 4.6 SOHC Age: 60 Posts: 2,546	T-Trim works for me: -mike __________________ 96 GoldBird '96 T-Bird LX 4.6L Alive & well & living in S. Florida N/A: Renegade NPI heads/Comp Cams; OEM intake manifold; Bolt-ons 245 rwhp; 13.713 @ 99.35 (Commerce, GA - November 2003) BLOWN: Renegade NPI heads; Renegade shortblock; Intercooled T-Trim; some other stuff Pump Gas Numbers - 547 rwhp / 525 ft.lbs; Best Time - 11.388 @ 118.68 (Commerce, GA - November 2007)

10-21-2008, 08:37 AM	#216
mlschultz 3rd Gear Poster Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Kennesaw, GA Car: 1998 Mark VIII LSC Engine: Vortech 4.6 Posts: 185	Gotta love it... __________________ Mike 11.751 @ 120.80 SSHS8 Class D Runner-Up

10-21-2008, 06:41 PM	#217
mlschultz 3rd Gear Poster Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Kennesaw, GA Car: 1998 Mark VIII LSC Engine: Vortech 4.6 Posts: 185	Talked to Ryan, and he said the blower made it back to Vortech. After talking to the Vortech guy, everyone agrees The Mark needs a t-trim. For now, they are going to pulley it back up to the Reichard Racing 3.1, since I already have that pulley. Vortech said I should be able to make around the same amount of boost using the 3.1 on the t-trim, as the 2.7 did on the s-trim. No eta yet when Vortech is sending the blower back. 2 1/2 weeks to sshs8... The suspense is driving me crazy __________________ Mike 11.751 @ 120.80 SSHS8 Class D Runner-Up

10-22-2008, 06:44 PM	#219
mlschultz 3rd Gear Poster Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Kennesaw, GA Car: 1998 Mark VIII LSC Engine: Vortech 4.6 Posts: 185	I hear ya, Mike. I think the 2.7 is on my car now with Aric's loaner blower, and will be changed out for the 3.1 when Vortech sends my blower back. Check with Ryan for availability - he maintains my inventory No chance of throwing that away. At $150 a pop for a Reichard, they go in the save parts pile. __________________ Mike 11.751 @ 120.80 SSHS8 Class D Runner-Up

12-04-2008, 12:30 PM	#220
mlschultz 3rd Gear Poster Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Kennesaw, GA Car: 1998 Mark VIII LSC Engine: Vortech 4.6 Posts: 185	The Mark is going back to Aric's shop tomorrow to have the new T-trim blower installed, and re-tune it again. They are also going to re-plumb the driver's side cam cover oil filler/vent so that it will now vent through a hose into the oil recovery tank hidden in the driver's fender. That should stop the oil spray from the cam cover vent going all over the engine and header. And finally, they are going to replace that pesky aftercooler silicone coupler that kept popping off at SSHS8 last month. That should do it for now... Have not set a time for Will to do the final feature photo shoot yet. More than likely, I will call him after Aric is done with The Mark to see when he is available. __________________ Mike 11.751 @ 120.80 SSHS8 Class D Runner-Up

12-18-2008, 10:36 PM	#221
mlschultz 3rd Gear Poster Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Kennesaw, GA Car: 1998 Mark VIII LSC Engine: Vortech 4.6 Posts: 185	The Mark is done. Just waiting for it's turn to get back on the dyno and dial it in for the T-trim. Ryan said they put a 3.3 pulley on it instead of the 3.1, and they are not going to spin the motor past 7k rpm's. There is a concern that fuel might be an issue now, so I guess we might see what the stock lines and rails can actually handle with the Ford GT fuel pump and the KBBAP. I am really curious to see the dyno numbers and boost comparison between the s-trim and t-trim. Should make for some interesting reading. __________________ Mike 11.751 @ 120.80 SSHS8 Class D Runner-Up

12-30-2008, 06:23 PM	#222
mlschultz 3rd Gear Poster Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Kennesaw, GA Car: 1998 Mark VIII LSC Engine: Vortech 4.6 Posts: 185	The Mark is still at the shop relaxing while the guys take some time off for the holidays. Hope to have it home soon! Some cool news though, Boze/ZEForged, the manufacturer that built the one of a kind forged wheels for The Mark, has posted pictures of the car in their website gallery Check it out here: http://www.bozeforged.com/gallery.html __________________ Mike 11.751 @ 120.80 SSHS8 Class D Runner-Up

01-05-2009, 09:55 PM	#223
cougar9150 1st Gear Poster Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: New Port Richey Car: 1991 Cougar RIP Engine: 5.0 Posts: 34	Holy ish. Found this thread and read the whole thing through in one sitting. I am extremely envious, insanely nice car.

01-10-2009, 02:41 PM	#224
mlschultz 3rd Gear Poster Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Kennesaw, GA Car: 1998 Mark VIII LSC Engine: Vortech 4.6 Posts: 185	The Mark is all done, and back at home now. The T-Trim ended up making the same horsepower as the S-Trim - except the T-trim is being under spinned with a giant 3.33 pulley on there while the S-Trim had a 2.7 pulley on it. Torque is down 20 due to the spool curve of that big pulley. Ryan is sending me the dyno sheet. I think the T-Trim made 16 psig at around 7k rpm. The breather filter on the cam cover is history - spewed oil everywhere, and it has been modified to vent to the catch can /breather hidden in the fender now. The ipod is also in, and is now in the center console glove box. Here are a couple pictures, and a video. Enjoy! http://videos.streetfire.net/video/T...ONE_210647.htm __________________ Mike 11.751 @ 120.80 SSHS8 Class D Runner-Up

01-12-2009, 09:19 AM	#225
96 GoldBird Seasoned PostWhore *Membership Expired* Join Date: May 2003 Location: Palm City, FL Car: 1996 LX Engine: 4.6 SOHC Age: 60 Posts: 2,546	Actually, I think that's a good thing - getting the same power with less effort - the advantages of underspinning the blower is that there will be less wear and tear on the bearing, it takes less power to drive the blower, hence less parasitic loss, and the ACTs will be lower than they would be at full spin -- also a lot less chance of belt slip. The faster the turbine spins, the more compressed the air gets, so the resistance against spinning the blower increases, and of course the more highly compressed air is hotter. All-in-all, I think a safer, more dependable set up for the street and everyday driving. You've got plenty of hp and tq to play with, and you can try a smaller pulley when you set up for the Shootout next year. Aric had GB on the rollers last week for her final tune, but an exhaust collector leak wreaked havoc on the A/F mix, so Aric had to scrap the WOT pull until the leak is fixed. He also has to install a SpeedCal to get the speedo calibrated to work with the 03 GT trans. Hopefully that all should be done this week. I missed coming up for the Shootout this year. I'm gonna try really hard to make it next year, if it happens. Congrats on your results this year, and welcome to the 11's. -mike __________________ 96 GoldBird '96 T-Bird LX 4.6L Alive & well & living in S. Florida N/A: Renegade NPI heads/Comp Cams; OEM intake manifold; Bolt-ons 245 rwhp; 13.713 @ 99.35 (Commerce, GA - November 2003) BLOWN: Renegade NPI heads; Renegade shortblock; Intercooled T-Trim; some other stuff Pump Gas Numbers - 547 rwhp / 525 ft.lbs; Best Time - 11.388 @ 118.68 (Commerce, GA - November 2007)

01-12-2009, 10:41 AM	#226
chris g MAVRICK MECHANIC *Membership Expired* Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: mississippi Car: 1995 thunderbird Engine: 4.6ltre v8 Age: 34 Posts: 605 View Photo Gallery	what size tires were the stock ones on the mark? __________________ COLD AIR INTAKE, MN12 PERFORMANCE FRONT SUSPENSION KIT, SILVER PAINTED AVS WINDOW GUARDS, SILVER PAINTED DASH PANELS, 28% MIRROR TINTED WINDOWS, SUSPENSION TECHNIQUES 2'' DROP, TRUE BENDS CUSTOM 2.5'' TRUE DUAL EXHAUST.

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