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4.6L to SC swap?

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So there's this very nice Supercharged 3.8 with a manual trans in a yard not five mins from home and the more miles I tack onto my already aging 4.6L, the more I think about that poor Cougar sitting there getting no love. How much of a pain would it be to swap the engine in if I pull the engine, trans, PCM, ECU and wiring harness? IIRC, the SC engine has ~85k miles on it and my 4.6L has a good ~170k miles...
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It would be a feat with a 96, many wiring connectors, terminals, and even harness channels changed after 95 that would make even an entire harness conversion difficult.

There's many things that need to be addressed to make the SC even close to as reliable as the 4.6. That includes MLS head gaskets, head studs, BHJ balancer ect. Even then you'll have the general maintenance woes that are a PITA on the SC for very little benefit over the 4.6.

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So in your opinion, would it be better to rebuild the 4.6 and supercharge/turbo it and eventually do a t45 swap?

Also...was out driving tonight, seems I've developed a miss and the TC is starting to go out as well...oh joy |: (
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X2 with what Matt said, its really more work than its worth.

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If you do it, you'd get rid of the lame trans and at least have a decent one instead. Also if you dont already have the all plastic intake replaced thats a pain in the ahole to replace. I'd do it if I were you I know the feeling of wanting an engine swap because of the low out 4.6. If you can do it..do it. Its not the best upgrade but then again the best costs a lot more. If it can be done cheap enough its worth it plus the 6 fits better even with the SC stuff.

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To do this swap you would the whole SC and in your boat if its not a 94/95 I wouldn't even think about it.
If you wanted a SC V6 I'd look at a 11 F150 Eco boot 3.5.

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If it can be done cheap enough its worth it plus the 6 fits better even with the SC stuff.
Trust me the SC'ed 3.8 give you less room than a 4.6 belive it or not. With the IC, downtubes and accescories. That stuff takes up room fast. To get everything to work properly you have to swap engine harness, and dash harnesses, the harnes going through the firewall to the PCM, change heatercores, mfg a new power steering line, and the list goes on. It does help to have a whole car to work with, but if your going to do it your better off doing it to 94-95 car. Also with him saying its a SC'ed cougar makes me think its a first gen motor which is even harder to swap to a 96-97 car. Again trust me I've got a 94 SC and a 90 SC. Matt and I were talking about this about a week ago it would be a hard swap going from 1st gen motor to second gen car. Swapping the motors over is a big job, getting them to work would be a bigger PITA. Also maitenence is not as cheap as it is for the 4.6. The 3.8 SC motor is for our cars only it was ever offered in the mustang or any other Ford vehicle. The 4.6 is offered in a wide array of Ford vehicles, meaning the parts are going to be a little cheaper.

Combatspace, if you have the time money a paitence do it, otherwise stick with your 4.6. Do the PI headswap and upgrade the trans to a T-56 toss a set of gears in the rear and call it a day

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Do a pi headswap and a t45

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Do a pi headswap and a t45
I'm thinking that's gonna be the plan for now. I have a guy with some heads waiting for me in Mississippi, I just need to collect all the parts for a t45 swap. Some of which I can pull offa that SC'd cougar I was talking about earlier.
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There's many things that need to be addressed to make the SC even close to as reliable as the 4.6. That includes MLS head gaskets, head studs, BHJ balancer ect. Even then you'll have the general maintenance woes that are a PITA on the SC for very little benefit over the 4.6.
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X2 with what Matt said, its really more work than its worth.
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Don't get me wrong the SC is a sweet car and all, hell I'd love to own (a real) one, but Ford should have given the V8 cars the option of a 5spd bolted up to a Mark VIII 4.6 but that's just me.

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thats like taking a step backwards.....don't swap a V6 for a V8, even if it has a turbo encabulator.

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Please dont destroy another Super Coupe - if you want it, just leave it in the car it came in and work with that.

I have my eye on a 1991 4.6 Crown Vic with an AOD transmission .. one of these days I might come up on it and consider a m5r2 swap on a 4.6.
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I believe I conceded to keep the V8 and go with a set of heads and a t45 swap way back in what was it...nearly a month ago? I'll definitely scavenge that SC for the foot pedals and the master/slave cylinders and all the linkage, but yeah, I think I'm gonna stick with the tired old v8 for now. Besides, i need to get me some nice new wheels before a tranny swap is even in the works.
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Damn, don't let the SC guys read this, it might start all kinds of crap....

ON EDIT: This is for all SC guys, and not just the cool ones over there on SCCOA...

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thats like taking a step backwards.....don't swap a V6 for a V8, even if it has a turbo encabulator.
You mean "don't swap a V8 for a V6 ..." ?

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Damn, don't let the SC guys read this, it might start all kinds of crap....
We dont care if you want to attempt a swap of monumental proportions - installing a SC motor into a Non-SC .. go for it.

Just dont ask how to put it into your mustang.
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You mean "don't swap a V8 for a V6 ..." ?
something like that....

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Damn, don't let the SC guys read this, it might start all kinds of crap....
You mean don't let the mustang guys read anything from here or SCCoA because they might start crying about it.
Seriously, we all know you got banned from SCCoA. What you fail to tell everyone is that you deserved it. So lose the chip on your shoulder please.
Nobody here just like there wants to hear all about your mustang and how it is faster because it is more uncomfortable and weaker. We just don't care, if it is all about faster because it is lighter you should throw away that heavy mustang and build a trike or something.
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You mean don't let the mustang guys read anything from here or SCCoA because they might start crying about it.
Seriously, we all know you got banned from SCCoA. What you fail to tell everyone is that you deserved it. So lose the chip on your shoulder please.
Nobody here just like there wants to hear all about your mustang and how it is faster because it is more uncomfortable and weaker. We just don't care, if it is all about faster because it is lighter you should throw away that heavy mustang and build a trike or something.
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where the hell did that come from?

Word of advice, let it go Alan, you seem to keep bringing it up....why? trying to start drama?

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Last I checked, post 17 comes before 21. Who's starting crap again?

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Umm, looks like you guys are reading way too far into it....he made a comment about the thread.....talk about getting off topic.

and read post #14, seems the crap started there.

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Yeah well he made that same comment in a lot of threads, shame on us for reading into it.

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okay.....a lot of threads......lets check...

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http://forums.tccoa.com/search.php?searchid=2866685

hmmm, besideds the ones that got locked, I can't find what you are talking about?

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Wow, just can't let this go can you guys??

And how professional of a business owner to fling mud at a potential customer or customers.... Kind of sucks knowing the inevitable, huh?
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Excluding those and the SCCoA trolling I guess just these without paging deeper...

http://forums.tccoa.com/showpost.php...78&postcount=3
http://forums.tccoa.com/showpost.php...2&postcount=17
http://forums.tccoa.com/showpost.php...3&postcount=18

Just cut the crap, It's always been a little vendetta between you two whenever you or him are involved in an argument. In this case it's obvious neither of you like SC's or SCCoA.

Considering TWO back to back locked threads were started following the SCCoA banning shows in itself there's still unresolved animosity about what happened over there and that any slight "jabbing" about it here is solely to get a rise out of the right person. No one wants to here it anymore.

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cut the crap?
so, if I or anyone else would have made his comment, nothing would have been said...am I right? thought so.

edit: no reson for extra drama.....

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Excluding those and the SCCoA trolling I guess just these without paging deeper...

http://forums.tccoa.com/showpost.php...78&postcount=3
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Just cut the crap, It's always been a little vendetta between you two whenever you or him are involved in an argument. In this case it's obvious neither of you like SC's or SCCoA.

Considering TWO back to back locked threads were started following the SCCoA banning shows in itself there's still unresolved animosity about what happened over there and that any slight "jabbing" about it here is solely to get a rise out of the right person. No one wants to here it anymore.
And neither do I. Now, can we all be adults here? Or is this still going to go on? Why don't you say something to the other few people in this thread who first said to not do this swap because they all think the swap to an SC platform is ghey as well.

It's stuff like this of whom I can tell come from highly intelligent individuals that can be cut out as well.
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We dont care if you want to attempt a swap of monumental proportions - installing a SC motor into a Non-SC .. go for it.

Just dont ask how to put it into your mustang.
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