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x pipe h pipe

x pipe h pipe straight pipe whats the difference

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never fully understood that if ones for toqrue and or if ones for hp, if your gona be smart when someone ask for help then i think your the one that needs to go back to kindegarten in the i need to learn to grow up class not everyone is born with a wrench in their hand and a grease rag hanging in the back of their diaper,so id appreciate an answer not a smart a$$ comment

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in his defense i highly doubt t was meant as a smarta$$ comment, he was just playing around with you.

if you use the search button i think you will find the info you are looking for. in general i believe it helps to equalize the pressure in each pipe and also help scavenging exhaust from the engine. Google searches help a well to give you a general idea.

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I was playing around with him and yes the SEARCH does work very well in finding info you need.

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never fully understood that if ones for toqrue and or if ones for hp, if your gona be smart when someone ask for help then i think your the one that needs to go back to kindegarten in the i need to learn to grow up class not everyone is born with a wrench in their hand and a grease rag hanging in the back of their diaper,so id appreciate an answer not a smart a$$ comment




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Holy crap Maic, ya got that poor van loaded heavy enuff? Lol

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lol he just installed a j-mod on the van

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we need one of a kid holding up a turbo while having 3 others next to him to help out our friend out with his quad turbo

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yeah what the difference on a tbird tho but i guess it will do

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ive been reading i have the straight pipe right now,i think im going to go with the h pipe

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On the sc. I have an X-pipe muffler.

A bit different.
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is that custom or they sell them somewheres,hows the sound compare to stock

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sound will depend on mufflers but h pipes do have a lower toned rumble and the x pipe is said to have a more higher tone like an exotic euro car. Also if the crossover is not welded in the right place it can hurt more than it helps. ithink there was a trick like marking the down pipes from start to finish with a marker or crayon or something and running the car on a 1/4 wot run and then check the pipes where the markings now begin (further down the pipe) thats where your supose to weld in an H.

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Do I need to install an "H" pipe in my dual exhaust system?

Flowmaster strongly recommends using a crossover tube, otherwise known as an "H" pipe or balance pipe on all true dual exhaust systems. The crossover pipe equalizes the exhaust pulses and allows the sounds waves to communicate between both banks of the engine. Not only does this usually improve torque in the low to mid rpm range, it also creates a deeper mellower tone both inside and outside of the vehicle and helps eliminate "back-rap" on deceleration.

Is an "X" pipe better than and "H" pipe?

Over the years, Flowmaster has performed extensive testing of all types of crossovers and “X” pipes, and has revealed no substantial benefits of one over the other in street applications. We have experienced that some specialized race applications such as small cubic inch engines and /or restricted (small bore) carburetors, will respond well to the addition of an “X” pipe over an “H” pipe.

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I did a google and tons of reading on "h-pipe" placement. There are all kinds of theories about the crayon mark, spray paint etc but nothing to prove or disprove this theory due to the unlimited variables. Best answer i found is from John Lingenfelter, and he knows his stuff.

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Do I need to install an "H" pipe in my dual exhaust system?

Flowmaster strongly recommends using a crossover tube, otherwise known as an "H" pipe or balance pipe on all true dual exhaust systems. The crossover pipe equalizes the exhaust pulses and allows the sounds waves to communicate between both banks of the engine. Not only does this usually improve torque in the low to mid rpm range, it also creates a deeper mellower tone both inside and outside of the vehicle and helps eliminate "back-rap" on deceleration.

Is an "X" pipe better than and "H" pipe?

Over the years, Flowmaster has performed extensive testing of all types of crossovers and “X” pipes, and has revealed no substantial benefits of one over the other in street applications. We have experienced that some specialized race applications such as small cubic inch engines and /or restricted (small bore) carburetors, will respond well to the addition of an “X” pipe over an “H” pipe.

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Flowmaster is one of the most restrictive aftermarket muffler manufacture's out there. I am not surprised that they came to that conclusion. Every other piece of data out there suggests that the X-pipe is superior. Depending on the size of the engine and what type of aspiration it has( FI or N/A ), the X-pipe has proven to be the better performer at the track and the dyno when using non-restrictive exhaust components.

On a mild bolt-on MN12, an X-pipe might not show any improvement over an H-pipe. A 600 RWHP N/A Big Block Ford will see around a very significant RWHP improvement with an X over an H as well as an improvement at the track.

Just one example showing the X-Pipe superiority.

http://www.pontiacstreetperformance..../exhaust3.html

Sound differences between an X and an H Pipe. That is my 2005 Mustang GT. Stock H pipe vs FRPP X pipe. That is the only difference other than being on different days.

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Well, you may not like or believe flowmaster but i think Lingenfelter knows what he's talkin about.

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Well, you may not like or believe flowmaster but i think Lingenfelter knows what he's talkin about.
A friend of mine has 2 Lingenfelter Corvette's, both are equipped with Corsa cat back exhausts with X-pipes.

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Not here to argue, both are c&p's and what i found in reading. I drag raced many years ago and am not the "up to date" guy i used to be, that's why i researched it.

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