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Muffler ?'s

I was wondering what the best sounding/good performance muffler for the best price was for a HO 5.0 with shorty headers, 2.5" true duels, and no cats would be. I looked at the sticky chart at the top of this page and started looking at the flowtech mufflers online. I found that their red hots are only 18 bucks each. But with being so cheap, does that mean you're getting what you paid for? I was looking into them bc I really want to put tips on that look like the tips on a fox body Mustang. I really like the long crome tip with no muffler showing. But I have never seen it done so Im not sure how good it would really look. Also I have lowered my bird a bit and plan to go a little lower down the road and Im afraid I wont be able to do those tips bc I cannot put a normal shaped muffler anywhere besides behind the rear wheels bc my exhaust already bottoms out on stuff. I also looked at the Flowtech Warlock and would love to do those. But I wouldnt be able to do the tips I want. So I guess Ill aske this too, what tips look good on our car with the mufflers behind the rear wheels? If anyone has any suggestions or tips let me know bc I really would appreciate them.

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I'm runnin thrush welded mufflers i picked up from advance auto parts a while back for like 40 bucks a peice. i like'em they sound really mean too. i've got true duals with an x-pipe,2.5'' all the way back and the mufflers at the very back. i've got some pics in my gallery of them and on a thread on here too. hope this helps.

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almost forgot my bird is lowered 2''.

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Are you talking about the tips in your 15th picture in your gallary? Bc I really do like those. Where are your mufflers located? Thanks for the help.

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If you want "Install and forget" mufflers go Magnaflow. They are highgrade stainless with great welding. After replacing a 2 year old set of Flowmasters on my nephews car I will never use anything but stainless, at least not here in Florida. If you are going to run cats you can get away with just the dual in/dual out belly muffler. If you are not running cats you will want to add the rear resonator/mufflers (I learned this the hard way). Part #'s for 2.5" are:

Magnaflow 2.5" DI/DO Tru-X Muffler 14468

Magnaflow 2.5" Resonator/Mufflers 14416

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The 5.0 with shorties sounds great behind these!


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I'm partial to Borla's... I think you could find them on Ebay for 150 for the pair shipped. maybe cheaper. I have had 2 sets. the Cougar got 2.25 inch and the bird has 2.5 inch. I'll try and have an updated Sound clip of the bird on the Dyno in about 2 weeks with the new exhaust sytem. I replaced the Front section with Stainless Steel Mandrel Bent 2.5inch with Xpipe instead of the 2.25 downpipes with H pipe. It really gave it a deeper tone.

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I've never build a 5.0L, always been a 4.6L modular guy but there is nothing like flowmasters on a 5.0L, just my opinion.
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I've never build a 5.0L, always been a 4.6L modular guy but there is nothing like flowmasters on a 5.0L, just my opinion.
Yup, when you want to sound like every other Mustang in town.

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On the net, please read:

broaderperformance.com/muffler_flow_tests.htm (Independently tested cfm flows of the more popular mufflers, glasspacks and resonators.

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/eng...../index1.html (this is an in-depth article that tests not only the mis-conception of flow demand but also how placement of a muffler (a glass pack in this dyno test) can actually "fool " the system into thinking that it is essentially a straight pipe.

I have listed here a muffler shootout test done by CAR CRAFT:

The Mufflers
MAKE MODEL Part No. COST
SUMMIT Turbo 630125 $14.75
THRUSH Magnum Glasspack 24214 $16.50
THRUSH Boss Turbo 17718 $23.95
HOOKER Competition 21006 $25.95
DYNOMAX Super Turbo 17733 $28.50
DYNOMAX Race Magnum 24215 $31.95
HOOKER Super Competition 21106 $35.95
SUMMIT Fully Welded 630325 $38.69
FLOWTECH Afterburner 50322 $39.95

MUFFLER FLOW TEST

MUFFLER Flow at 28-in H20
DynoMax Race Magnum 528.64 cfm
Thrush Magnum Glasspack 507.40 cfm
Summit Fully Welded 343.38 cfm
Flowtech Afterburner 342.20 cfm
DynoMax Super Turbo 333.94 cfm
Hooker Competition 232.46 cfm
Hooker Super Competition 320.96 cfm
Summit Turbo 331.16 cfm
Thrush Boss Turbo 297.36 cfm

MUFFLER Idle dB WOT dB
DynoMax Super Turbo 89 123
DynoMax Race Magnum 94 133
Flowtech Afterburner 92 124
Hooker Competion 92 122
Hooker Super Competion 90 125
Summit Turbo 89 124
Summit Fully Welded 92 125
Thrush Boss Turbo 90 123
Thrush Magnum Glasspack 92 128

DYNO TEST
All mufflers were dyno-tested on a 355-cube SBC with 10.0:1 compression, Air Flow Research 190 aluminum heads, a CompCams 292 hyd. a Victor Jr. intake, a Holley 750-cfm double-pumper, and 1 5/8 Headman headers.


MUFFLER HP TORQUE 2,500-6,000rpmAverage
Hooker Competition 397.4 381.1 286.8hp/351.9 lb-ft
Thrush Boss Turbo 407.1 384.9 292.1 hp/357.5 lb-ft
DynoMax Race Magnum 409.5 394.3 298.8 hp/366.9 lb-ft
Flowtech Afterburner 409.7 391.2 294.8 hp/361.7 lb-ft
Thrush Glasspack 409.5 389.8 297.7 hp/365.3 lb-ft
Summit Turbo 411.5 386.3 291.5 hp/357.4 lb-ft
DynoMax Super Turbo 412.7 387.2 292.6 hp/358.6 lb-ft
Hooker Super Comp 413.8 387.2 292.8 hp/359.0 lb-ft
Summit Fully Welded 415.4 390.7 295.6 hp/362.4 lb-ft

While there are mufflers that will out flow a glass pack design, it also depends on the design. Does the glasspack use "louvers or perforations" - Louvers reduce the flow by as much as 50% but Allied resonators (that sell for $20-$40) each and available at any muffler shop) installed backwards in independent test flowed 90%+ of a "race spec muffler". Others using other brands consistantly showed similar results.
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So with all that fancy talk, which muffler should I get?

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So with all that fancy talk, which muffler should I get?
By priority....

1. The one that fits & gives you ground clearance
2. The one that sounds the best (have your muffler guy cut off your pipes, then hold each type of muffler up with the engine running and rev'd a little to see which one you like the best. The point of all the info is, you don't have to spend $200+ on a muffler to make a engine sound good and perform.
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By priority....

1. The one that fits & gives you ground clearance
2. The one that sounds the best (have your muffler guy cut off your pipes, then hold each type of muffler up with the engine running and rev'd a little to see which one you like the best. The point of all the info is, you don't have to spend $200+ on a muffler to make a engine sound good and perform.

Somebody pays $200 for a muffler, I have some Florida property they're sure to be interesest in. Check this site, make them an offer, you might be suprised:

http://www.performancepeddler.com/default.asp

There is more than performance to look at. My exhaust sounds the same today as it did 3 years ago. Stainless still cleans up nice. That muffler test is antique. Just like too big of pipes will cost you power. Big in, big out, pay a pro to design the cam to utilize it best for the weight and cubic inch of your setup. It is 2010, not 1965. Why do Nascar drivers get upwards of 7 mpg at 200mph when they used to get 1.5 mpg. Could it be due to the fact they have advanced beyond the typical bs? Go figure. Of course, this last year one of the Nascar team owners tried to go smaller exhaust to get more torque off the corners on a short track. His cars ended up 30th and back when they normally were in the top 10. Seems the cars just would not accelerate down the short straight. Hmmmmmmm, some times maybe we should just let old ideas go! Oh, and by the way, he neglected to let his cam designer know. Now why would that make a difference? Again, hmmmmmmmmm.

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I might be white trash.....but I took a sawzall to the mufflers on my 95 4.6 and took it down the street and had pipes run out where the muffs came out. Sounds friggin fantastic!
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right! ive been thinking bout jus sawing off the mufflers and buying new ones before it needs inspected in november. i bet that sounds beastly

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Derrtydunk good luck with that... The pipes back there are less than 2 inches. It's just better to have someone make you up some pipes and do true duals. The easiest way is to get the mandrel exhaust system. It requires few modifications to the O2 bungs and then have your mufflers put up there. The whole kit in Stainless is about 650 dollars. Throw your mufflers on there and boom.

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what's the best sounding on a SC. I like a nice deep, low tone rumble.

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I like Magnaflow. Clean, deep sound. No raspiness or drone. The stainless still looks good after three years.

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I don't care what exhaust I get. As long as it's stainless and sounds great.

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This is a quick clip of mine... With the new 2.5" with X pipe it deepened it pretty good.

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sounds like you have a cam.

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I was wondering what the best sounding/good performance muffler for the best price was for a HO 5.0 with shorty headers, 2.5" true duels, and no cats would be. ... But with being so cheap, does that mean you're getting what you paid for? I was looking into them bc I really want to put tips on that look like the tips on a fox body Mustang. I really like the long crome tip with no muffler showing. But I have never seen it done so Im not sure how good it would really look. Also I have lowered my bird a bit and plan to go a little lower down the road and Im afraid I wont be able to do those tips bc I cannot put a normal shaped muffler anywhere besides behind the rear wheels bc my exhaust already bottoms out on stuff. I also looked at the Flowtech Warlock and would love to do those. But I wouldn't be able to do the tips I want. So I guess Ill aske this too, what tips look good on our car with the mufflers behind the rear wheels? If anyone has any suggestions or tips let me know bc I really would appreciate them.
Why do you guys keep asking the same question? When there is only one correct answer. Honestly, this question comes up about once a month or so.

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I'm partial to Borla's... I think you could find them on Ebay for 150 for the pair shipped. maybe cheaper. I have had 2 sets. the Cougar got 2.25 inch and the bird has 2.5 inch. I'll try and have an updated Sound clip of the bird on the Dyno in about 2 weeks with the new exhaust sytem. I replaced the Front section with Stainless Steel Mandrel Bent 2.5inch with Xpipe instead of the 2.25 downpipes with H pipe. It really gave it a deeper tone.



BORLA, BORLA, BORLA !

I have the PRO XS 2.5" offset in and 2.5" center out. See THIS TREAD for video and audio of why these are the finest mufflers for our cars.

Here's some pictures of the tips I have. The car's dirty in this picture but you get the idea...




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I'm not too big a fan of the exhaust being so visibile... but with that sound, who cares?

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it does look kinda nasty. they need to find a way to tuck it up just a bit. but overall its kinda kool too.

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it does like kinda nasty. they need to find a way to tuck it up just a bit. but overall its kinda kool too.
Nothing a black can of exhaust paint wouldn't cure on the pipes. Wouldn't hardly notice it.

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Trunk Monkey, Were the pipes too big to fit thru where they usually go? I have seen other dual setups that didn't have to go under the dif. What size did you use?

Nevermind, just checked your specs. 2 2.5" pipes won't fit thru the hole that the stock exhaust uses huh.

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the more i look at it now the more annoying it is. now that you mention it..are they the right fit?

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it does like kinda nasty. they need to find a way to tuck it up just a bit. but overall its kinda kool too.

It could have been tucked up with no problem except for the tips. I have seen alot of bumper covers covers cut quite professionally for the tips.

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