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Question Shorty Header Install?

Just looking to see who has done this in the driveway and how big of a headache it was. I have a set of JBA's on the way that I scooped up for a steal on eBay. However in looking down into the engine bay, and even from under the car, there doesn't look to be ANY room! If you could do it again, would you pay someone else to do it? Just tossing the idea out there. Thanks in advance for any helpful insight!

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I'd sell the pos JBAs for a profit and save the headache.

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That's likely going to happen. It doesn't look like I want to tangle with the install. What's so bad about them if you don't mind me asking?

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I had mine installed years ago at a muffler shop for $150. I had a cracked manifold with a broken stud on it and decided to buy these. This was also before the price of Kooks sky rocketed and was pretty close in price. I also didn't think the Kooks would be emissions legal but I wish I had gotten them now for the better performance gains. I haven't had any issues with the JBA headers at all but after installed I had a better high rpm pull. Could have just been that I had a bad exhaust leak in the first place.

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The JBA shorties have been seen to flow less than stock manifolds.

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The JBA shorties have been seen to flow less than stock manifolds.
I've always wondered why that is. The tubing itself isn't terribly small, and the bends aren't bad. Must be the difference in primary lengths...
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The fact that they gain nothing and are prone to cracking after a couple years makes me think ported stock manifolds are far superior. If you want headers do kooks, if they are too expensive do ported manifolds.
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And to think I've been running those JBA shorties all these years. Guess whenever I get another motor in my car I'll have to do a set of kooks to see how they do. Yeah, they are prone to crack as mine had to be welded twice.

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Ive been running my JBAs for over 2yrs with no issues. I as well dont see how they wouldnt flow.

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Wow seems like there are mixed reviews on these. Thank you for the info. Can anyone clear up how terrible they are to install?

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it's about like doing a replacement of stock manifolds difficulty is a matter of opinion but it's about a 6 hr job. Breaking bolts will change things.....fast.
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The fact that they gain nothing and are prone to cracking after a couple years makes me think ported stock manifolds are far superior. If you want headers do kooks, if they are too expensive do ported manifolds.
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I agree that the cracking issue leaves a lot to be desired, but in terms of output potential on a serious engine, I don't see why they would be so bad. Granted you won't get scavenging at typical RPMs with such short primaries, but I can't see them actually flowing any worse that stockers, or even ported stockers.
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Thank you everyone for the feedback!

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I agree that the cracking issue leaves a lot to be desired, but in terms of output potential on a serious engine, I don't see why they would be so bad. Granted you won't get scavenging at typical RPMs with such short primaries, but I can't see them actually flowing any worse that stockers, or even ported stockers.

Unless something changed between dyno runs the one dyno test I saw using them showed actual losses, all in all they aren't worth purchasing or even installing for performance purposes or reliability. It sucks to buy kooks but they are the only real answer for us. I have a company willing to produce less expensive headers but the initial investment is a bit steep.
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Unless something changed between dyno runs the one dyno test I saw using them showed actual losses,
that is the question, isn't it
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that is the question, isn't it

As always it is possible but they were posted here many years ago and most people don't make changes to decrease power. It could have taken internal engine damage or been bad fuel there are just so many variables...
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Well I can't say since I have no dyno numbers between the changes to verify. But let it be known whatever numbers mine have put up either dyno or on the track has been with JBA's on it. I'm only hoping at some point to have kooks on something else to see how much they really help.

I do expect the kooks would be significantly better especially at higher RPMS!! Especially for the money.

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Anybody know of a company that ports exhaust manifolds for our cars?

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Anybody know of a company that ports exhaust manifolds for our cars?
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Thanks again everyone!

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Thanks again everyone!
If you ever actually do install them, you can see if they helped or not by getting yourself an Xcal2/3 and data logging the acceleration rate of your car. Of course this means that you would have to also do that prior to the install to have a baseline to compare it to. This would take out dyno variations, and only leave weather conditions as a variable (which can be corrected of course).
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Well if anyone has one for sale I would like to pick one up. But it wont be for a while since I just moved and brought a puppy home last night. Gotta get some money stashed before I buy more parts! lol

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