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twin turbos SUCK

Quad turbos are so much cooler! Well this should be the last design change for the turbo car theres lots of work ahead but i have most of the parts.

I know I know "hes gone too far!" I can already hear kd now so I'm goin get up out of here now and retreat to my hiding spot

And your already asking what about the radiator right? Well im going with a 13-14" high (oem rad is 19") dual core aftermarket radiator that the turbos will peer out over

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.......i dont know what to say to this, i thought you would have had at lease ONE working setup by now...

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i did i drove the car around for weeks using it as a daily driver spooling a small single turbo that pushed 8psi but i built it to be a temp setup. Now im heading towards what i really want to do with it. 4 very small turbos that the 4.6L should spool easily, high and dry under the oem hoodline, routing for full exhaust, high enough for effecient oil return to pan....

Also Ill be building the new hotside off of the already flipped manifolds that are already bolted to the car. funny people always said theres no room in a MN12 bay for a turbo and now Im going to put 4 under the hood of a mn12 it also should be the first quad turbo 4.6L. Two of the turbos are in great shape two of them will need to be rebuilt but you can actually find rebuilt and balanced Te04h center section for cheap. Also as far as cheap goes ive spent less than 120$ on all four turbochargers. I pulled each one off of a turbo dodge which is a pain in the rear as you have to pull the head and turbo together. I got so used to doing it the last 2 only took a half hour each

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I hope this is a joke. If not, I would consider how much these cars already have a tendency to overheat with the full size radiator. Not to mention you'd be far better off just buying a brand new cheap single turbo, things like the masterpower T70 sell on ebay for only about $600.Of course that is big enough to actually make power, so if you tried to use another junky stock engine it would break instantly.

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No joke sorry KD they do fit and ive never had overheating issues. Actually since there are 4 turbochargers that mean they all have to work less together to flow enough air for 8 psi. Which equalls low IATs and reduced turbocharger wear. Also they shoud still spool fast as they are said to be too small for the 2.2L motors they come off of. The exhaust housings are tiny tiny .38ar housings. response still shoudlnt be an issue. Also as long as the dual core radiator has enough volume and i have enough fan cfm it will be ok. Also two of the turbos have no play one was rebuilt actually funny enough. I paid the least for the rebuilt one (17$) as for two of them they have play but TEo4hs are like pennies; they are plenty and no one wants them as they are commonly even too small for the honda1.6L guys. Im not done yet stick around Quad Turbocharged MN12 4.6L. Oh if i break the motor ill get another one

PS flanges should be on the way soon (the distributor told me 2-3 weeks until he restocks them) then ill have 100% materials for the hotside. Im using the oem wastegates which are set at 8-9 psi which is fine for a stock 4.6L

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funny people always said theres no room in a MN12 bay for a turbo and now Im going to put 4 under the hood of a mn12 it also should be the first quad turbo 4.6L.
Well, i'm sure you could fit at least 4 more if you find some more vital cooling system parts to move in front of the core support

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Oh if i break the motor ill get another one
Are you still touting this as a budget build? 7 different setups in what? 3 years now? Now your saying if your winged turbo setup breaks something you just buy another motor? Doesnt sound very budget to me.

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I only paid 200 for my Pi motor hows that for a budget. Also in the 2 years that ive been building differnet turbo setups ive only spent hundreds not thousands. some guys spend 7k for a basic turbo kit for a 4.6L

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how are you going to rout the cooling hose to the engine from the radiator....seems like it would have to go very close to any one of those turbos...also i don't know how in the hello your going to rout all that pipe.... off each manifold(so 2 pipes) split into 4 pies for each turbo, then 4 piped into 1 for the TB....i am going to love to see how this piping goes when u get to doing it lol

regardless of if its reasonable or worth it, its going to be interesting how THIS one pans out lol

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I only paid 200 for my Pi motor hows that for a budget. Also in the 2 years that ive been building differnet turbo setups ive only spent hundreds not thousands. some guys spend 7k for a basic turbo kit for a 4.6L
Not everyone can find complete motors for $200 in running condition, how many miles are on yours btw?

I know you spent hundreds not thousands, it shows. However, I dont know how you can compare a thrown together junkyard build cost (using nothing but used junk) to a full blown $7000 aftermarket kit that comes with mandrel bent pre routed tubing, hardware, turbo, intercooler, and everything else needed. There is a good budget medium for home grown build ups and it takes something called "planning". After figuring out your own budget, what pipe sizes and what parts to use for the best setup, all it takes is putting it together, which can be done for much less than $7000.

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i figgure he's gonna do a tem setup to get her runnin as a quad setup then when he gest the cash, he'll start upgradin his equipment
Tell us that again in english.

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Now you see why I dub this project "wind talker" as it should talk like the wind

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My Q is on the exhaust from the turbos? They are so close together I dont see how its going to fit

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nevermind how about it should kick ###

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is that english enough?
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nope these turbos are the last thing (should be) from there i will be working on everything on the car. as for the turbos once i do buff the housings and paint the turbine housings/hotside it will not look that bad. But looks arent that big of a deal as im leaning more towards function and it shoudl function as needed. a whooping 8 psi can still push a Pi headed 4.6L into the 300-350 hp range? Then once you start up grading the heads, camms, intake, tuning, fuel system....the wastegates will still pop at 8 psi but the motor will be consuming alot more air=more powa. Which someday i do hope to build a mild motor and trans to compliment the multiple turbochargers

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I take it back im not the first mod motor quad turbo car. my thread was just shown up by a dohc 4 turbo cobra...that is badasss top of the line fancy $$$$$$

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here ya go scan on down
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buddy... you better not be talkin about the tent i pitched when i saw the finished product
HELL NO! I meant was was going on in this soon to be circus of a thread...

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Jezz this therd is acting like kindergartner come on kids GROW UP

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no offense taken except you forgot that just one of his turbochargers cost probally 4 times as much as my whole setup will cost me. Unfortunatly Im not rich but i can still make it happen with just a few bucks. and if i want to i can get all the hotside/turbos/and other gear under the hood coated and it would look just fine but ill probally slap some BBQ vht paint on and go because once the hoods dropped it dosent matter what the turbos look like...it matter more of what they can do

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That DOHC is just a photoshop lol the front turbos primary intersects into a weld look closely its just a twin setup that was duplicated. It fooled me until someone pointed it out

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Not everyone can find complete motors for $200 in running condition, how many miles are on yours btw?

I know you spent hundreds not thousands, it shows. However, I dont know how you can compare a thrown together junkyard build cost (using nothing but used junk) to a full blown $7000 aftermarket kit that comes with mandrel bent pre routed tubing, hardware, turbo, intercooler, and everything else needed. There is a good budget medium for home grown build ups and it takes something called "planning". After figuring out your own budget, what pipe sizes and what parts to use for the best setup, all it takes is putting it together, which can be done for much less than $7000.
well actuallu i got my 4.6L out of a wrecked 01 GT that had 77K on it. I had to pull the valve covers and change them because the valve covers had a few holes in them from the GT rolling. When i tore off the valve covers i was suprised to see how clean it was inside and so far its held up to 8 psi while trying to exhaust thru a tiny .48 ar single T3 housing.

Second if i had 7K i would be able to use mandrel bent pipe, buy a Tig welder, top of the line equiptment, pay for coatings....hyowever i dont have 7k to blow on car mods but thats not going to stop me from building a working turbo car

As for the other question above about fitting. as you can see there is plenty of room. I will be cutting the hotside at the current Y then routing a single 3" pipe to a collector that will merge into 4 2" pipes leading to the turbochargers. From there the 4 outlets will merge into a log style manifold collector which will all funel into a single 3.5" DP that will snake its way above the driver side manifold down by the steering shaft and out the back

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nope these turbos are the last thing (should be) from there i will be working on everything on the car. as for the turbos once i do buff the housings and paint the turbine housings/hotside it will not look that bad. But looks arent that big of a deal as im leaning more towards function and it shoudl function as needed. a whooping 8 psi can still push a Pi headed 4.6L into the 300-350 hp range? Then once you start up grading the heads, camms, intake, tuning, fuel system....the wastegates will still pop at 8 psi but the motor will be consuming alot more air=more powa. Which someday i do hope to build a mild motor and trans to compliment the multiple turbochargers
I thought you might actually have reached the point of getting serious about turbocharging your car, then I saw the pictures

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I'm with David, why on earth after failing to rig up a twin system, would four turbos seem like the next logical step??? After this one tanks i'm predicting one turbo/cylinder, good luck with that...

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i am serious stick around im going to to get it done and working right. its not even that hard the hotside is already there to build off of and the route for the down pipe is there as well and they do fit with a custom radiator. I will just have to connect the radiator hoses with couplers and elbows. I didnt fail to rig up a twin system I slapped a single on there to heat/road test the manifolds to make sure the cast iron to steel joint would hold and so far so good. Now i can proceed. I even told everyone when i put a single T3 on that it was temporary.

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Why not 8, one per cylinder, forget the exhaust manifolds.
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