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There's not much to discuss in this forum anyway

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I think Sir William will disagree with you on that. He's got a turbo mn12.

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I think Sir William will disagree with you on that. He's got a turbo mn12.
yea so he can talk to himself now.

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^ What he said

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Well one of you guys need to step up and join him so he has someone to talk to.

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haha, not me. i already went the nitrous route.

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My wife thinks I talk to myself now, so what else is new?


haha, talking to yourself doesnt make you crazy. its when you answer yourself, then your crazy. .

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Don't worry, I never answer myself.

Yes you do.

No I don't.

Yes you do!

No I don't!

YES YOU DO!

NO I DON'T!


Maybe I should go now......

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SW is not the only one here with a turbo mn12...

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I'm also working on plans for a turbo system to go along with the DOHC swap this summer. So maybe there'll be three people in here who can talk to each other in half a year or so.

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There are 3-4 turbo cars here

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well there's a few turbo 5.0's but as far as i know sir will (so far) has the only 4.6 turbo MN12.

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Quote:
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Don't worry, I never answer myself.

Yes you do.

No I don't.

Yes you do!

No I don't!

YES YOU DO!

NO I DON'T!


Maybe I should go now......
Actually answering yourself isn't really an indication of insanity either. Now if the voices in your head just show up, and start giving you detailed instructions on how not to miss your ex-wife next time you aim at......er, I mean, see her.................. even when you tell them to go away...............

You may have a problem.


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is the turbo the best way to go? i dont care about work

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Thats kind of like asking is an apple better than an orange. Turbo is free power recovered from the exhaust. A supercharger is driven by the engine itself so it robs a little power to make more.
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You can make more low-end power with a supercharger. That's not to say that you can't make any low-end power with a turbocharger, but when you choose an A/R, it's a compromise. A smaller A/R will spool up faster, hence more low end power, but it'll run out of stea at the top. A larger A/R will have more lag, but you can make insane amounts of power at the top of your powerband. A good idea for most moderate street applications is to choose a lower A/R, but for our V8s, we can spool up turbos faster than measly 4-bangers can, so we can go a little higher on the A/R. A higher stall converter will get rid of turbo lag, and if the top end is too strong, the wastegate will take care of it. Turbos are much more tunable than superchargers. Plus, (I think) they sound cooler.

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Thats kind of like asking is an apple better than an orange. Turbo is free power recovered from the exhaust. A supercharger is driven by the engine itself so it robs a little power to make more.
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yes, i know all that too, but i was wondering as far as mn12's go, and by your own opinion, it really is like compairng two different things and seeing which one works better, i just have a quick question, whay cant y7ou turbo and supercharge an engine at the same time, i think i9 know why, actually, but i wanna see if im right....

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It can be done, and it has been done before. I believe that some of the WW II aircraft had both mechanically driven superchargers and exhaust driven "turbo" superchargers (technically both exhaust driven and mechanically driven compressors are "Superchargers", but that's not important anymore) The reason that they had both had to do with the fact that aircraft operate at many different barometric pressures, and turbochargers help to offset that difference.

I also seem to remember seeing a late 60's Chevelle that someone had built that had two turbochargers feeding into a roots type supercharger. But that was a long time ago.


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well, er, the reason why i thought t woukdent work is cause your basicly putting boost through the blowers impellers, which makes boost as well, i thought it didnt really matter, it was kinda a cancel effect.....

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Not really. There are even garage air compressors that have two-stage compressors that basically compress air that is already compressed. I think.


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How well is that new turbo system working on your car ?

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Good so far Dave. Still needs tweaking, but it's getting there. I have a pinhole leak or two in the welds that I have to fix. I'm also going super rich, so I think when I can get all the boost in the engine and not drown it in fuel it'll run even nicer. But as is, it's a VERY nice upgrade.

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Glad it's working well, my 93 SC (w/347) is just about ready to send out to New Mexico for installation of the turbo system. I'll let you know how it turns out and will plan to bring it to WFC 8.

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