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Does a 1988 TC have a hydraulic clutch or a cable clutch like a 1986 TC?
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The 87-88 Tc's have a HYD clutch. The 83-86 have cable.

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The 87-88 Tc's have a HYD clutch. The 83-86 have cable.
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Yep, the 87-88 switched to the hyd. set up while pre-87 had the cable.

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yep, the 88 has hyd. I have a "carcass" in the back that is gittin hauled off soon as I get a chance. I have the 5 speed and parts plus the clutch setup. Have found no interest in them-----hate that, dont want to trash the useable stuff---
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Can anyone send me some pictures of the master cylinder location and how it hooks up to the clutch pedal assembly?
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Was it still a T5? If so, could this setup possibly be used with an SC pedal and the TC master and slave to put a 5-speed in an MN12?

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Mikey if Im not mistaken it was a T5. I know the stangs kept the T5 all thru the fox era and I believe the fox birds were aswell.

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T-5's were used in the mustangs up through the 95 model's. When they switched over to the t-5 was when they went to the T-45. The 4-cyl t-5s have different gear ratios and a different input shaft. I believe the 86-88 had the world-class t-5 with the upgraded syncros.

The master cylinder to the clutch is under the brakes master cylinder. Its held in place with two metal screws and the MC rod slips over a nipple on the clutch pedal arm. A nylon line runs down to the slave cylinder claped on the side of the bell housing. The slave cylinder pushes on a fork which pushes on the T.O. bearing.

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So then if you got that slave and bracket, it could be used on the side of a T5 in an MN12, right? Does the hydraulic line attach with the same fittings as they used on the SC? Do you happen to know the bore diameter of the TC slave?

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So then if you got that slave and bracket, it could be used on the side of a T5 in an MN12, right?
The bracket is really just a u-shaped fork that is cast as part of the bellhousing. Then a plastic cover bolts over it to just kinda hold it in place. If you could find a way to bolt it or clamp it to the side then sure, it could be used. I dont know about your other questions but I would be suprised if the master cylinders are different.

Have you thought about the length problem with the t-5's shifter not sitting far back enough? What are you thinking of doing to correct this?

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The bracket is really just a u-shaped fork that is cast as part of the bellhousing. Then a plastic cover bolts over it to just kinda hold it in place. If you could find a way to bolt it or clamp it to the side then sure, it could be used. I dont know about your other questions but I would be suprised if the master cylinders are different.

Have you thought about the length problem with the t-5's shifter not sitting far back enough? What are you thinking of doing to correct this?
You could talk to Jimbobicious here and ask him how he dealt with that issue.

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The length won't be an issue. I had a 94 cougar I did a T45 swap on, and I will be doing another T45 swap on my MarkVIII. I'll just build a bolt-on relocation for the shifter using a heim joint and linkage to have the handle coming up in the stock location, but not cutting up or welding onto the T45. I never liked the idea of the shifter extension box. I'm actually not planning on doing a T5 swap at all, I was just exploring this to open up doors to other people who do want to do a 5-speed swap.

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Yes thetrans is a T-5

Yes the Mnual Trans are T-5s and I believe the all automatic Thunderbird including the Turbo Coupe had a AOD 4 speed. If I not right Please tell me.

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Only the 87-88 Turbo Coupes had the 4 speed AODE. The 83-86 TC's had a C3 3-Speed automatic in them.
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if im not mistaken all the tc's had a4ld's in them. junk transmissions which is why all auto tc's were detuned from the factory.

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Whoops, my mistake. The 4-speed auto was an A4LD, not AODE. But only the '87-'88 TC's had the 4-speed A4LD. The '87-'88 TC automatics were detuned from the factory, but from '83-'86 the autos with the C3 tranny made the same horsepower as the manuals. My '86 has the C3 3-speed, and I have done a couple mods to bump up the horsepower, and it's taking all the abuse I can give it. With the A4LD, you have to take it easy on the mods if you want to keep the tranny alive.

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'83-'86 the autos with the C3 tranny
Yep your right.

The only reasons the autos made the same power as the manuals in the 83-86 models was because the t-3's were non-intercooled, so they were limited at 10lbs of boost accross the board. The 87-88's had the top mount intercoolers so the boost could be boosted to 15#s.

The a4lds are the same as the c-3 just with overdrive, but their french built. Might have something to do with why the early versions were junk.....

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Just out of curiosity, are the C3's supposed to be as weak as the A4LDs? I haven't heard about many junk C3's as opposed to everyone complaining about their junk A4LD's.

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I think they are the smae design but the a4lds suffered from severe overheating problems (maybe from design changes to add the overdrive) and I think were built cheaply from sub-standard materials. Another big problem was the torque converters would come apart and take the pump and the rest of the transmission with it.

The newer versions of the a4ld are much much better and are still being used as a 5-speed auto now, its called the 5R55.

There is a guy on NATO in the 12 or 13's running a built c-3 from a 74 fairmont.

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