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post #1 of 43 (permalink) Old 03-15-2008, 04:06 PM Thread Starter
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Angry maybe a lemon

well i was driving my thunderbird down the road cruising at about 40-50 mph and out of no where the oil presure goes through the roof and it sprays oil all over the hot stuff under the hood from the valve cover gasket ticking like its gonna blow at any time then dies takes me forever to start it back up when i do its still smoking and ticking along with not wanting to stay running any ideas
thought about a V8 swap but i donno
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Holy sh!t.I love how your post never ends.It kind of just rolls from one sentence to the next with no pause.

Seems real hard to understand what is going on.Why don't you try slowing down alittle and find another way to explain the problem.So far I got that oil sprayed everywhere.But from where?What part of the motor is it spraying from?

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lol was in a rush sorry about that but its comming from around the valve cover
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Valve Cover gasket. Heck, its a 4 banger... Not that hard to replace that. Is the cap still on?

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Rubber gasket? sometimes if they aren't torqued properly they will squeeze out the side.

He's right, 4 cylinder valve covers are the easiest to change.

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Is it coming from around the back of the driver side of the head? There is a T-connection back there where the oil sensor and oil feed for the turbo screw into the side of the head. Its possible that you had one of the famous oil line failures. The feed has a tendency to crack and spray oil everywhere. Your lucky it didnt catch fire. Steel braided feed and return lines can be bought for about $100 from MAXpsi.com. Very good product.

Give it a look over again and give a little more detail into what your seeing.

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Isn't it possible the PVC valve got stuck closed and allowed the oil pressure to build up? I don't know how common it it, but I've heard of it happening with similar symptoms.

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well im gonna dig deeper into it today. i didnt really have time to do it when it happend but if its a big problem i may be on the market for a 351 windsor.
ill let you guys know what i find out
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I would save the 2.3L Awesome motors. Heck, if you don't want the car, I will take it off your hands.

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My dad has a 351W in his 78 F100 Custom, That thing is a MONSTER. I would not put my 5.0 against it. I would swap that engine into my car if he would let me...... I could probly buy the whole truck from him for $500.... After all, I bought it for him.. I might just give him a call. If you do happen to swap a 351W into your car, Post a build thread up and keep us updated on your progress.

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sorry cant sell the car after all i took out a 3500 loan for it and unless you can get me a 87-88 bird in the same shape i cant let her go
but anyway i took the intercooler off and there are large pools of oil in the turbo and the manifold (fresh oil change and the oil smelled burnt and no oil on the dipstick)
along with that the valve cover gasket was pushed out all around the valve cover
so my guess is thats not a good thing lol
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Time to clean it up, Heck the car is old. I would freshen the motor up, heck, a good running 4 banger like that one will save you gas and get you the performance you need.

So, its a Valve cover gasket to say the least, easy enough to replace, repair, with the cover off you can look and see how the valves and Rockers look.

The Turbo would suck the oil in wouldn't it, and with the heat of the Turbo, that is why its burnt in the Intercooler.

Why do the rest of you guys recommend?

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i have a 98 neon for my DD the tbird is my toy so gas milage really isnt an issue
and you all know you cant beat the sound of a nicely built V8 but its still up in the air on what im going to do
gotta look into it a bit more
keep the ideas comming though this is the first turbo car ive had to work on
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I know there isn't anything like the sound of a V8, but TC's are becoming more and more rare. I mean, to each his own, but I think keeping the Turbo'd TC would be the best, ultimate decision is yours and how much you want to spend and do with it.

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got a line on another 2.3 turbo with trans out of a svo stang the guy wants $300 and it runs
smells like a great time to slap on a bigger turbo faster and still somewhat stock is good right? lol
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yea, there you go. Even though running, I believe as long as that motor is out of a car, you should have it gone through and totally refreshed, if you are going to put a bigger turbo on there and put that motor under extra boost.

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Is it coming from around the back of the driver side of the head? There is a T-connection back there where the oil sensor and oil feed for the turbo screw into the side of the head. Its possible that you had one of the famous oil line failures. The feed has a tendency to crack and spray oil everywhere. Your lucky it didnt catch fire. Steel braided feed and return lines can be bought for about $100 from MAXpsi.com. Very good product.

Give it a look over again and give a little more detail into what your seeing.
I'm going to have to second this. They break very often right at the bend. I will also second the lines too.

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sorry cant sell the car after all i took out a 3500 loan for it and unless you can get me a 87-88 bird in the same shape i cant let her go
but anyway i took the intercooler off and there are large pools of oil in the turbo and the manifold (fresh oil change and the oil smelled burnt and no oil on the dipstick)
along with that the valve cover gasket was pushed out all around the valve cover
so my guess is thats not a good thing lol
Some oil in the turbo is to be expected. If the gasket was pushed out then that tells me that you have excessive crank case pressure (piston blow-by) and that gasket was the weakest link. Every engine has blow-by, especially forced induction engines.

Check the pcv valve, its behind the alt, between the block and dist. Take it out and shake it. If you hear it rattle every time you shake it, its good. If not its junk. Replace it with a motorcraft PCV but check it the same way before putting it in.

There is a breather on top of the valve cover that leads to the inlet of the turbo. The excessive oil in the turbo could have been caused by pressure forcing the oil thorugh that breather down the line and into the turbo. Some people replace this breather with a second pcv valve. Under boost, the valve next to the engine would be forced closed, but one in place of the breather would be sucked open and allowing the blow-by out of the crank case.

These engines can be rebuild on the cheap. I think I rebuild mine for $200 if I remember right. If you decide to really rebuild, I know a shop here in ashland called PTI Racing Engines. This guy was a nascar engine builder back in the late 80's early 90's. He's always busy, so you might have to wait a month or two to get your engine back, but a new hand-built 2.3 from ford would not be this precisely machined and built.

Dang, your only about 70 miles away from me. If gas wasnt $3.50 a gallon I might have already driven up there to look it over for you.

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yeah gas is getting a bit retarded kinda makes me wish i could fart in my tank and make it work on taco bell @$$ gas lol
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well turns out that its not a lemon but bosch plugs are now on my $#!T list
these are the plugs out of my #1 and #2 Cyl

notice how the center is gone from the #1 plug

and how its still there in the #2 plug

try and guess where the center of plug #1 went.....ill give you a hint.... cyl #1 has 15 psi on a compression check and the rest have 125psi on the same check
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Ouch. These engines can be rebuilt on the cheap. I know a guy here in Ashland (PTI Racing Engines) who does outstanding work. Im finishing up the R&R of a 4.2 in an f150 that he did the machine work on. That engine was beautiful. He's an ex-nascar engine builder so your engine would be in good hands.

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i know a few builders as well but i like to do my own work when i can ...makes me feel like ive done something lol
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anyone know where i can get a set of stock pistons for the turbo 2.3? ive looked all the places i can think of and all they have are oversized i really dont feel like punching it out just yet
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I may have a set laying around from my parts car. Ill have to check. Need just pistons or do you want rods too?

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just pistons the rods in mine looked fine
may have not been the spark plug that knocked a hole in the piston heres a pic taken right after i lifted the head off

the little white specks are whats left of the center of the plug

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i just said screw it and got the over sized pistons from summit racing i got the biggest ones they offered for the 2.3 T

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Wow Hobohuey, you rebuilt a 2.3 turbo with $200? What parts did you replace and where did you get them? I need to go through mine just to freshen it up. I may need a cam and followers for mine. I think it flattened one of the cam lobes. It went to skipping and you can hear a knock from the top of the head. I've already changed the auxiliary shaft, distributor, and oil pump. Do you think I need to redo the bottom end or do I just need to do the upper part of the engine?

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Does Racer Walsh still make a lot of the goodies for the 2.3L?
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I know when I modded my 85 TC's engine I got a lot of stuff from them.

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holy crap, i havent used bosch plugs in a long time and always thought i got worse performance from them over a projection tip plug but i never knew they had problems like this!
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Yeah Racer Walsh does still make tons of goodies but you better be ready to pay with a limb or two. lol I'd love to build an engine with just that site but I don't have 3 to 5 grand to spend.

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