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The OEM brand is under $28 at RockAuto; I don't see how that's "outragious priced", especially since that's only $10 more than the eBay I-never-heard-of-that-brand item.

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Ooo I thought it was motorcraft and those were like you said,like 60$ a piece ..
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If I do choose to run e85 and get a dual tune, e85 and premium ..will the 42s be ok or should I look for say 36lb ..i don't think 30s would be enough..
Also would I see any extra power with e85 tune? I know is my Indy ss I sure did but that was a boosted motor running 20+ psi
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Always gain more power with an E-85 tune. You will gain more torque from the E-85, and can run max timing in the tune.

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With an e85 tune with an xcal and the setup I plan on gaving, will I need a dual tune for premium and e85? Or with my set up and an aggressive tune ( don't care if I gotta run abit higher than 93oct) can I have a single tune a d run the little higher octane and e85 when ever it's available? Even if I don't gain the full hp gains from a strait e85 tune? I mean,even the mid 2000s Taurus was a flex fuel, lol I used to junkyard hunt them for their injectors..
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With an e85 tune with an xcal and the setup I plan on gaving, will I need a dual tune for premium and e85? Or with my set up and an aggressive tune ( don't care if I gotta run abit higher than 93oct) can I have a single tune a d run the little higher octane and e85 when ever it's available? Even if I don't gain the full hp gains from a strait e85 tune? I mean,even the mid 2000s Taurus was a flex fuel, lol I used to junkyard hunt them for their injectors..
A tune for E-85 is going to be very different from a premium fuel tune. Especially if you're like me and the best you can get is 91 octane. E-85 is getting scarce around my area as well, only the Kwik Trips are planning on carrying it, and only at one station in the area. Also, E-85 is really only E-70 in the winter, so you need a test kit so you can get your tune adjusted. Finally, E-85 has much less BTU energy than gasoline, so your fuel mileage will drop a lot, and if you plan on driving the car often, it'll get expensive.

Do it as you see fit, but for a car I drive often, especially if you go cross country at all, you don't want ONLY an E-85 tune.

You would also want to upgrade your fuel pump to flow more fuel on E-85.

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With an e85 tune with an xcal and the setup I plan on gaving, will I need a dual tune for premium and e85? Or with my set up and an aggressive tune ( don't care if I gotta run abit higher than 93oct) can I have a single tune a d run the little higher octane and e85 when ever it's available? Even if I don't gain the full hp gains from a strait e85 tune? I mean,even the mid 2000s Taurus was a flex fuel, lol I used to junkyard hunt them for their injectors..
A tune for E-85 is going to be very different from a premium fuel tune. Especially if you're like me and the best you can get is 91 octane. E-85 is getting scarce around my area as well, only the Kwik Trips are planning on carrying it, and only at one station in the area. Also, E-85 is really only E-70 in the winter, so you need a test kit so you can get your tune adjusted. Finally, E-85 has much less BTU energy than gasoline, so your fuel mileage will drop a lot, and if you plan on driving the car often, it'll get expensive.

Do it as you see fit, but for a car I drive often, especially if you go cross country at all, you don't want ONLY an E-85 tune.

You would also want to upgrade your fuel pump to flow more fuel on E-85.
I'm aware of the mpg's...ive run e85 in my Indy ss ..but I'm think I will not get the e85 tune while living up here.
The closest e85 gas station in 40min round trip away..so that's not gonna work..
And with the e85/ premo tune I was wondering if it could be on the same file ,for say ..
Have it tuned to run e85 once it's detected in the gas, like the oem e85 vehicles where you just throw in what ever Nd the ecu auto adjusts to the grade of gas..as I said,I know 0 about tuning and I doubt it's cabaple of that kind of tune .
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You'd need a flex fuel sensor, such as E85 Flex Fuel Sensor Kit ? PCM of NC, Inc. , and a way to feed it into the ECU, and a tune that adjusts based on that.

Talk to whoever's tuning your car; see what they say.

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You'd need a flex fuel sensor, such as E85 Flex Fuel Sensor Kit ? PCM of NC, Inc. , and a way to feed it into the ECU, and a tune that adjusts based on that.

Talk to whoever's tuning your car; see what they say.

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Exact answer I was looking for..i will talk to the tuner today or tomorrow as I think about how I want my car set up.
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How do I go about getting my processors strategy code? Can my xcal pull it up? Or is it on a doorjam? Or my ecu?
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I'm aware of the mpg's...ive run e85 in my Indy ss ..but I'm think I will not get the e85 tune while living up here.
The closest e85 gas station in 40min round trip away..so that's not gonna work..
And with the e85/ premo tune I was wondering if it could be on the same file ,for say ..
Have it tuned to run e85 once it's detected in the gas, like the oem e85 vehicles where you just throw in what ever Nd the ecu auto adjusts to the grade of gas..as I said,I know 0 about tuning and I doubt it's cabaple of that kind of tune .
Our cars don't have the computational power, nor the sensors to detect the ethanol level in the tank. You'd have two separate files, and have to apply one or the other depending on what you put in the tank. You'd also have to drain the tank dry, or as close to dry as possible, so invest in fuel filters, or set up a fuel cell in the trunk and rig a fuel line switch mechanism so that you could run E85 for track days or whatever, and premium for daily use. But then, you lose your trunk.

Newer "flex fuel" cars can sense and adjust as needed, but way more work than needed for adapting that to our cars.

Ultimately, it all depends on what your end goal with your car is. Mine is a fun three season daily. If there's not snow on the ground, I drive it. Now that I have a reliable AWD car for winter use, I may use that on rainy, hailstormy days too, but if the sun's out, the Fun car is out.

If you want yours to be max power, then by all means, do E85.

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How do I go about getting my processors strategy code? Can my xcal pull it up? Or is it on a doorjam? Or my ecu?
The XCal should show you it. Or its on the ECU itself.

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The XCal should show you it. Or its on the ECU itself.
You can see the catchcode on the ECU itself


A google search will translate the catchcode into the strategy you need to load. Stra

For 93 5.0 tbirds, for example, the ECU catchcode is W3D.
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Haven't had time to check my xcal out.
But when I do I will plug it in and see if I can pull the code,beats having to drop the ecu in this weather.
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That's the catch code, not the strategy. They are two distinct codes for two distinct characteristics about the PCM. The catch code will be four digits (e.g. MBE3, a common database for the 97 MN12s), and the strategy (the important part) will be five digits (e.g. CDAN4, which was the strategy found on nearly all 96/97 MN12s).

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The catch code is the database (or tune, program etc.) that the strategy uses to control the functions of the powertrain. You can think of this as the program running on the computer.

You can read the strategy of your PCM by connecting the XCal3 to the DLC, and navigating to Vehicle Info.

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Emailed Don..
Looks like this is gonna happen soon.
Also ordered new front 02 sensors to have it code free before I start the mods and tune.
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THANKS woodman,
With out his help I wouldn't have figured out this stuff..
Woody has been a huge help through all this..
I should have the parts on and 1st attempt at the tune by the weekend..
Wish me luck guys because this car has been giving me grief
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THANKS woodman,
With out his help I wouldn't have figured out this stuff..
Woody has been a huge help through all this..
I should have the parts on and 1st attempt at the tune by the weekend..
Wish me luck guys because this car has been giving me grief
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So, is this the end of the story? I've been watching this thread big time. MDW
OP was banned. He did apply the tune, wasn't happy with the results due to primarily lack of patience.
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I seen i was mentioned early on glad he didn't try to contact me

looking at the photo those are not 42lb injectors they are Chinese knock off injectors and will not work worth a crap
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... looking at the photo those are not 42lb injectors they are Chinese knock off injectors and will not work worth a crap
Really... Changing/swapping out injectors is not like changing light bulbs if you get a batch that don't throw off enough light.
So, given the presence of so many Asian suppliers of just about anything, how do you avoid getting screwed besides not buying ANYTHING off of eBarf? Who are these "reputable suppliers" the kneejerk respondents are going to reply with?
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Really... Changing/swapping out injectors is not like changing light bulbs if you get a batch that don't throw off enough light.
So, given the presence of so many Asian suppliers of just about anything, how do you avoid getting screwed besides not buying ANYTHING off of eBarf? Who are these "reputable suppliers" the kneejerk respondents are going to reply with?
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