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Another hydrolock story

Well it finally happened. Driving home in the rain, and drove through some deep water. Didn't look that deep and was almost through (a few hundred yards from home) when the engine died, and it won't turn over....

So, just what 4.6 engine WILL fit in a T-bird?


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Well it finally happened. Driving home in the rain, and drove through some deep water. Didn't look that deep and was almost through (a few hundred yards from home) when the engine died, and it won't turn over....

So, just what 4.6 engine WILL fit in a T-bird?
Definitely not the northstar or land rover....

seriously though any modular bell housing 4.6 with the rear wheel drive config will "fit".

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Sorry for your trouble.

But, look on the bright side, it's a great excuse to do the Explorer PI swap/upgrade. I see you've got the PI top end now you can get rid of that iron bottom end and save some weight too.

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Believe me, I've thought of the Explorer swap already. But I have VERY limited funds. Might have to get a low mileage Tbird or Crown vic block and make do with what I have. IF I can get the engine together, I'll be looking for friends to meet me in Joplin MO (I hope) at my girlfriends house to put it in. I'll keep posting on progress. If I get my tax refunds I'm expecting I'll be OK.

edit: and thanks for the info on the fitment. I suspected that was the case but wanted to make sure. LOTS of cheap cast iron stuff around and may have to go that way.


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Sorry to read as well, In your sweet time get that "pretty" red bird back in the air One of my favs here on the board .

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Please tell me you seriously didn't try to crank it over while hydrolocked. You can avoid a lot of damage by just removing the spark plugs and then turning it over with the starter to get most of the water out of the cylinders.

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Dang Traveler! I'm depressed as all get out to hear that about your ride! That car was one that stuck in my head cause it made good power.

You can get aluminum explorer engines pretty cheap now, check out car-part.com.

Again, I'm sorry to hear about your hydrolock problem.

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Got dam how much water did you go through lol, Doesnt it take alot of water to hydrolock it?

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please post a pic of your air induction so others can learn.
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I'd pull the plugs and crank it be hand slowly followed by cranking it with the starter to clear it out and put the plugs back in and see if it runs again. If it does see if she rattles, ticks, knocks, etc... It may not be too late and most of all it's free.

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Pulled the plugs and cranked it slowly, water came from the holes, and now can't turn it at all. My intake system is straight off of an 02-04 Mustang GT from the airbox to the intake manifold. Doesn't reach down much below the filter itself. The water wasn't that deep, all I can think of is maybe it splashed up from the wheel, or a "rogue wave" got in.
The insurance company agreed to pay for damages, but the estimate will surely total out the car. I'll have to buy it back and hope I have enough left over to buy an engine.


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Glad you already checked with insurance as I was going to suggest that. I hydrolocked my car a couple months after I had done my swap. We were straight up with my insurance and they were awesome about it.

I had pulled my plugs and cranked it over, shot some water out, etc. Still made a mess of the garage floor with all the water that poured out of the intake manifold when we pulled the engine apart.

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Ohhhh yea, the estimate is twice what the car is "worth". The estimate is app. 5200 (rebuilt long block plus 18 hours labor). So they came out and took pics of my car to determine its value before writing me a check. I'm hoping there will be enough to buy the car back, and a salvage engine. OR I started looking for other V8 Tbirds to just swap my mods onto a new car. (I mean the heads and intake should still be good.... right? please tell me they should be...)
Anyone got a good 94-97 Tbird they want to sell cheap?


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the heads might be junk you could have bent a valve or cracked the head when it hydrolocked

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if it helps my shop recently installed a used motor 4.6 with lower miles into a 97 tbird and total price ran around $2700

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The heads on my hydrolocked engine were still fine. In fact, everything but one rod, one piston, and some of the baffling in the bottom of the oil pan were fine. The other 7 rods and pistons were fine and the oil pan didn't actually have a hole in it and the block was ok. My insurance bought a junk yard engine of similar mileage to my engine and paid for the labor for the engine swap. Although even that would probably total an MN12 these days, still surprised their thought was to rebuild the engine, the parts and labor there ahve to be more than a replacement junk yard engine.

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Generally, heads don't get damaged on a hydrolocked engine. Rods bend because water doesn't compress, that's usually the extent of it.

My buddy in South Florida worked for Toyota and did hydrolock claims. You see, a new car warranty will NOT cover water damage, but your insurance company will as you've found out. So Brian's job was to investigate new Toyota engine damage to determine if hydrolock was the cause and therefore deny new car warranty drivetrain claim.

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The insurance adjuster said that after wear and tear, and my deductible, I'd walk with 2275 after I bought the car back. Now gotta find a 96-97 Bird to swap my good parts onto, or find a good explorer motor... cheap.


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2275 seems like a decent amount of money to get a new engine with. Seems a lot easier than swapping all the current mods to another car.

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Hell, $2275 will buy you just about every Explorer 4.6L on car-part.com.

It would even buy and ship several of the 96-98 Cobra engines on there at this point. With some looking around you might even find 99-01 Cobra engines for that price.

4.6's are getting cheap fast. The 5.0 crate engines are cheap enough that it is killing the 4.6 market.

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LOL I had forgotten to even check Car-Parts.. Thanks for the reminder. I'll be able to get an engine and have money left over for more fun stuff... (maybe even kooks headers!)


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PBR Brake Calipers - Eibach Springs - KYB Shocks
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I ran across this today..It might be worth checking out..

If you don't mind "traveling"?..lol

http://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/cto/3001729379.html



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It looks great, and its a great price.. but by the time I drove the 1600 miles round trip it might not be that cheap!


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Mark VIII Torque Converter - J-Modded 4R70W transmission - Mark VIII Aluminum Driveshaft - 3.73 gears
PBR Brake Calipers - Eibach Springs - KYB Shocks
'89 SuperCoupe front and rear sway bars
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Rayo, I called on it anyway. Just couldn't stop thinking that 1500 is pretty darned cheap! And it was cheap.. cause it had already been sold. guess I'm back to the Explorer swap plan


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80 MM Mustang GT MAF - P&P'd Mustang GT TB and Intake Plenum - PI Intake manifold - PI Heads
Mark VIII Torque Converter - J-Modded 4R70W transmission - Mark VIII Aluminum Driveshaft - 3.73 gears
PBR Brake Calipers - Eibach Springs - KYB Shocks
'89 SuperCoupe front and rear sway bars
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Rayo, I called on it anyway. Just couldn't stop thinking that 1500 is pretty darned cheap! And it was cheap.. cause it had already been sold. guess I'm back to the Explorer swap plan
You know at that price..It wasn't gonna last..


I'll keep my eyes peeled for you..Since I'm looking to buy another car anyways..







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Won't believe this. I looked at a 97 port today. 130,000 mi. Leather, moonroof, convenience package... Good clean car, good tires, etc. Drove it and liked it, and asked how much. they came back with 8500!! I just picked up my lower jaw and left. That is just crazy. Back to a new engine...


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80 MM Mustang GT MAF - P&P'd Mustang GT TB and Intake Plenum - PI Intake manifold - PI Heads
Mark VIII Torque Converter - J-Modded 4R70W transmission - Mark VIII Aluminum Driveshaft - 3.73 gears
PBR Brake Calipers - Eibach Springs - KYB Shocks
'89 SuperCoupe front and rear sway bars
SCT Chip programmed by Lonnie Doll
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True Dual exhaust with Magnaflow DI/DO muffler
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I think you're better off. Your car is great, keep it........you'll be glad you did!

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