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Ok, I dunno if some of ya'll remember, but no more then 2 to 3 weeks ago, I was, well i had been experiencing a hard shift from 1 to 2, and finally convinced my dad to have it checked out and attempted to be fixed, after learning and reading much from these bores, i pretty much could've established and possibly fixed it my self in it being a broken 1-2 accumlator spring..... but the father, who trusts me to no extent what so ever, brought it to AAMCO... they "noticed" the hard shift, and after asking me that it also gave my a shudder in the higher gears, and it was cause of the crappy torque converter in the car..... he goes, i dont think that would be causing that.... like i was your normal 17 year old idiot with just a car and a big pocket full of money...

I get the call back after they dropped the pan, etc etc, h goes we noiticed the hard 1-2 shift and we suggest we drop the transmission and rebuild the whole thing, and we also noticed a shudder in 3rd and 4th gear *not we noticed the shudder you mentioned, they noticed one that they obviously discovered* and we suggest that you goa head and purchase a new torque converter to solve this problem..... all i could do was sigh when my dad said do whatever ya can to fix it.... yeah, the total came out to almost 1900 bucks.... i hated that idea of paying that much so i took my dad and face to face, talked it out and only could get 200 bucks knocked off of that... so total 1700 bucks for rebuilding the entire transmission.... *half of the money to fix this was my money btw, so i was not enjoying this*


Got my car back and blah blah, worked good, shifted smoothly, thought i'd never have to worry about this again......

Well i've been noticing that hard shift slowly coming back, only getting worse as time progresses, so i decided to take a look at all the things they replaced..

I see a 2-3 accumulartor and springs and a 3-4 accumulator and springs but no 1-2, *where the problem was in the first place*

So I believe, I was royally screwed over, and can anyone give me some soothing words before i go back to that place??
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What 3-4 Accumulator? Call back and demand to see the old one.

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$1700? You could buy a badazz trans from dennis reinhart for 2300, and 300 of it is only a core charge. You got ripped, and bad.
And yeah, ask them to show exactly where this magical 3-4 accum. goes. Then laugh as he stammers his way out of that.
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In all seriousness, the bottom 1-2 accumulator spring is not necessary and many people who do the J-Mod (check the Tech. Articles: Ford OD Trans. 101) leave out this spring for a firmer shift.

Now if the accumulator isn't there than you have a problem.

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And if they didnt replace the intermediate one-way clutch with the mechanical diode variety, it WILL fail eventually... i'd at least demand that much for $1900 Personally I think AAMCO bent you over real good.

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total cost of parts -- $195

Those are all the parts that were purchased



And yes, all please dont flame me for this ripping off of this, i really wanted to put a whole new transmission in the car, or have some friends i know help me out, but my dad, as he always wont, wont trust me, with anything.... it's sereiously relaly depressing on how this happened, espcially when 700 bucks was mine..



Hopefully, I will find someone who can help me out with j-modding my car, and while i was doing that i can check the 1/2 accumulator, but so far, well i dont know one guy with a bird or coug down here




When i get back to my house tomorrow i plan on sitting down with my dad and doing some serious talking, cause this is just to crazy

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Hey bud, wasn't trying to flame you, just wanted you to know how much they screwed you. So, sorry if you took it that way, but I would go back and *****, very loudly.
Also, if you have them redo it, or whoever does, make sure they use mercon v, that mercon 3 crap is no good for our trannys.
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Hey bud, wasn't trying to flame you, just wanted you to know how much they screwed you. So, sorry if you took it that way, but I would go back and *****, very loudly
hahaha no no no no dude, it wasn't meant that way, trust me when i say it, i know i was screwed

I hate myself for doing this to my car, i really could've used that money on a vortech or even a brand new re-painting of the car, it just dont know how this happened...it's just so frustrating, i leave for college in less then 2 weeks, and yeah, im going to raise some serious hell when i can....


And yes the plan was to j-mod once i find someone who is willing to tackle the procedure with me and i will be installing a trans cooler *the one on summit racing, i believe it was the BMM-70268, would anyone know if that includes all parts needed for installition? if not, what other things are needed* and of course mercon V transmission fluid will be used...


I can't thank you guys enough for the help and information that i've learned

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well i know they didnt use a sprag OWC no matter what the stub says.... if they didnt replace the drum, they didnt convert it to a mechanical diode.

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I typed out everything exactly the way it was on this reciept thing.....

so unless they didn't put something on it, just shows you how much car mechanic places like this suck



and i'd like to add, while in my pissed off rampage i was stupid enough to kick a wall, thus breaking 2 of my toes......

just shows what stupidity and frustration does to a man

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If they really charged you for a 3/4 accumulator, I would take your Dad and that reciept down to a Ford dealership and prove to him that it doesn't exist. Then deal with that tranny shop.
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Im not sure if this really helps or not???


but i noticed it says tranmission type and it has AOD-E
what's up with that?
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Alot of places/people will keep saying "Well it's an electronic controlled AOD so it's an AOD-E" when the AOD-E was a Ford designation for a specific transmission that was never installed in an MN12.

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I called AAMCO up, and talked to the guy who did this crap with my dad, and he of course doesnt remember the car, or anything to that extent, or why i was there, so i had to explain that, and then i proceeded to tell him from reliable sources, i was told that a 3/4 accumulator doesnt exsist in the tranmissions and why wasn't the 1/2 replaced or had anything done with he, sat there for a min saying uhh, hold on one second, uhh, im going to have to pull up your files i'll give you a call back..


it's been 4 hours, i figured if they dont call back today,im going to just go there in person tomorrow



ok well after i just posted that, he called..

he gave me this.... you're tranmission is an AOD-E and it does have a 2/3 and a 3/4 accumulator, he wasn't sure if a 1/2 was inside the tranmission.... i mean is he right about the aod-e tranmission haveing a 2/3 and a 3/4?? kinda boggles me to think that it would be that, when t-birds have a 4R70W tranmissions????

If anyone in the houston area can suggest a trustworthy tranmission place or even anyone knows anything about them, please contact me, so i can get this settled, i am willing to drive a bit if i have to.

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Tech article.

Pretty clear. I would gather as much documented proof about how much of an idiot this guy is (or a crook), present it to Dad, get him stoked up about how "HE" was bent over, and go back with him. Maybe nothing will result, but there's nothing like bad press in a town. Better Business Bureau is a good place to talk to about this.
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Sorry about what and happened and all and believe me i know how it feels when your father has a say in what you do to YOUR car. Anyway the local radio station i listen to always has this aamco commercial on the air, which states that once your transmission is fixed by them they gaurentee it for as long as you own the car. Thats what they say here in virginia so i am not to sure about anywhere else. If thats true for you i would just tear the hell out of the transmission everytime i had the chance. Make those dumb asses pay for rippin you off like that.
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haha ton6y, that's a good idea, get my money's worth of what i had to pay for this ****.... but that lifetime thing, is bs, i only have a 1 year warrenty, which is good, so if it gives me big problems at college, i'll be back here next summer to get on them....



ok, Talked to a guy at the ford dealship in server....

he gave me these numbers - 416fp10a-ax4f he's says thats the tranmission on a 94 t-bird...?? anyone know what the heck??
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ok, Talked to a guy at the ford dealship in server....

he gave me these numbers - 416fp10a-ax4f he's says thats the tranmission on a 94 t-bird...?? anyone know what the heck??

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Yeah sounds like your Ford guy may be dyslexic. Poor guy. Probably sita around all now wondering if there really is a doG. ANwyay, burn these guys. Take a big stick and lay down some beatings, hillbilly style. Whoop 'em.
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he gave me this.... you're tranmission is an AOD-E and it does have a 2/3 and a 3/4 accumulator, he wasn't sure if a 1/2 was inside the tranmission.... i mean is he right about the aod-e tranmission haveing a 2/3 and a 3/4?? kinda boggles me to think that it would be that, when t-birds have a 4R70W tranmissions????

If anyone in the houston area can suggest a trustworthy tranmission place or even anyone knows anything about them, please contact me, so i can get this settled, i am willing to drive a bit if i have to.
1) No Thunderbird or Cougar, of any year, ever came with an AODE. Period. However, I'll let that slide because a lot of shops don't know the difference. A 4R70W is similar to an AODE, but the gear ratios and a handful of other parts are different.

2) If he thinks your tranny has a 3-4 accumulator, he thinks you have an AOD. AODs had 3-4 accumulators, AODEs and 4R70Ws do not. They use the 3-4 space for the 1-2 accumulator.

3) I still stand by saying that if the drum and OWC weren't upgraded, it will eventually break.

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1) No Thunderbird or Cougar, of any year, ever came with an AODE. Period. However, I'll let that slide because a lot of shops don't know the difference. A 4R70W is similar to an AODE, but the gear ratios and a handful of other parts are different.

2) If he thinks your tranny has a 3-4 accumulator, he thinks you have an AOD. AODs had 3-4 accumulators, AODEs and 4R70Ws do not. They use the 3-4 space for the 1-2 accumulator.

3) I still stand by saying that if the drum and OWC weren't upgraded, it will eventually break.
I agree..
That guy has no clue as to the internals of the 4R70W,and probably thinks that roller one-way is a great part.

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The last AAMCO rebuild I got into (this car's 2nd tranny in 86,000 miles!)
had a 7 roller one-way instead of the stock 14 roller piece.

It was something they had laying around...

And I myself have heard many tranny guys call the 1-2 accumulator in a 4R70W a 3-4 accumulator (DOA... I mean, AOD) ...
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Parts :

1 - New - Assembly Set - LS
1 - New Filter - 2wd
1 - New - Band - Overdrive
12 ltr dexron 111/mercon trans fluid
1 - r - torque converte
1 -n- int sprag
1 - n- low sprag
1 - new - pump cover
1 -n- planetary
1 -n- 2 pressure plates
1 -n- 2/3 accumltor
1 -n- 3/4 accumulator

total cost of parts -- $195

Those are all the parts that were purchased



And yes, all please dont flame me for this ripping off of this, i really wanted to put a whole new transmission in the car, or have some friends i know help me out, but my dad, as he always wont, wont trust me, with anything.... it's sereiously relaly depressing on how this happened, espcially when 700 bucks was mine..



Hopefully, I will find someone who can help me out with j-modding my car, and while i was doing that i can check the 1/2 accumulator, but so far, well i dont know one guy with a bird or coug down here




When i get back to my house tomorrow i plan on sitting down with my dad and doing some serious talking, cause this is just to crazy



also, i noticed that Mercon III was put in...12 liters. You need to have Mercon V put in. Also, i know this may sound off the wall but, a liter is slightly less than a quart..you may be shy be a little fluid. By the sounds of your story, the AAMCO guy is a frickin idiot.

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Hate to inform you of this but a liter is 33.5 oz. whereas a qt is 32 oz. either way they should have access to ford's tsb's, being a national franchised chain. Merc V is what ford says should go in. I would also print out the tech articles and point out that Jerry had a big hand in designing the transmission so he should know it with his eyes closed. Jerry is also the man who let us in on the J-MOD. so now we don't have to have a sloppy pig of a tranny.
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And I myself have heard many tranny guys call the 1-2 accumulator in a 4R70W a 3-4 accumulator (DOA... I mean, AOD) ...

Yeah, i read that in the tech articles, from what it seems like there's either a 3/4 or a 1/2 in that spot....


I also read this in the tech. forums

"'96 and up T-Birds & Cougars with the 4R70W use Mercon V. It can be used in the '94-'95 cars, but it is not recommended by Ford."

should that be something i should be concerned about??


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2) If he thinks your tranny has a 3-4 accumulator, he thinks you have an AOD. AODs had 3-4 accumulators, AODEs and 4R70Ws do not. They use the 3-4 space for the 1-2 accumulator.

3) I still stand by saying that if the drum and OWC weren't upgraded, it will eventually break[/B]
Yeah, i read all about the tranmissions and stuff, and i do agree that my tranmission should be a 4R70W, which boggles my mind... Can the 3/4 accumulator just be replaced with a 1/2 or will that completely mess up the trans.

Also how can i go about on checking if the drum and OWC were upgraded?? what exactly is the OWC and drum part?? if possible, i'd like to learn more about that if you know anything else
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Hate to inform you of this but a liter is 33.5 oz. whereas a qt is 32 oz. either way they should have access to ford's tsb's, being a national franchised chain. Merc V is what ford says should go in. I would also print out the tech articles and point out that Jerry had a big hand in designing the transmission so he should know it with his eyes closed. Jerry is also the man who let us in on the J-MOD. so now we don't have to have a sloppy pig of a tranny.
the Mercon V bottle i am staring at right now says 1QT (.946L)..although, i study politics not numbers..so i might be off. The AAMCO grunt should have known better though.

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FYI the III is for Dexron, Mercon only comes in "Mercon" and "Mercon V"...

Dexron III — Replaces Dexron IIE and adds improved oxidation and corrosion control in GM electronic automatics.

Mercon — Ford fluid introduced in 1987, very similar to Dexron II. OK for all earlier Fords, except those that require Type F.

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Yeah, i read that in the tech articles, from what it seems like there's either a 3/4 or a 1/2 in that spot....


I also read this in the tech. forums

"'96 and up T-Birds & Cougars with the 4R70W use Mercon V. It can be used in the '94-'95 cars, but it is not recommended by Ford."

should that be something i should be concerned about??




Yeah, i read all about the tranmissions and stuff, and i do agree that my tranmission should be a 4R70W, which boggles my mind... Can the 3/4 accumulator just be replaced with a 1/2 or will that completely mess up the trans.

Also how can i go about on checking if the drum and OWC were upgraded?? what exactly is the OWC and drum part?? if possible, i'd like to learn more about that if you know anything else

there is no 3-4 accumulator...

1-2 accum
2-3 accum
OD servo and spring.

I did the J-Mod years ago, the accumulator pistons are commpletely different, the 1-2 and 2-3 are not interchangable, even if there was a 3-4 accum, there is a pretty good chance you couldnt use it for the 1-2.

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FYI the III is for Dexron, Mercon only comes in "Mercon" and "Mercon V"...

Yeah i see this on the part sheets that i "purchased" it says mercon III/dexron 12 liters


I am condering flushing out the trans fluid in now and replacing it with mercon 5... but not sure if i should do it now, seeing how if they have to go back into my transmission, i dont want them to get rid of the fluid i just used



I still dont understand why they are saying it's an AOD-E, i mean, i keep reading they didnt even put that transmission in my car, but i really dont have enough knowledge about that to go there and argue that fact......

i need written proof that it really is
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Because there are plenty of morons who know enough about the 4R70W to know it's electronically controlled so to them it's an A(utomatic)O(ver)D(rive)E(lectronic)

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