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J-MOD - totals at over $200

I'm doing 1995 for 300 HP kit. Here is the prices Ford dealer gave me:

F7AZ-7F251-AA-- 1-2 Accumulator.............-- $20.38
F75Z-7F284-BA-- 1-2 Top Spring............... -- $6.96
F6AZ-7A194-A -- Deep sump pan............. -- $30.29
F6AZ-7A098-A -- Filter & Seal................... -- $26.64
EOAZ-7D189-A -- Reverse Servo............... -- $21.92
F75Z-7H188-AA-- 2.7" OD Servo............... -- $29.57
F87Z-7F201-AA-- 2.7" OD S. Spring............ -- $6.60
F2VY-7C155-A -- Separator Gasket........... -- $6.34
F5AZ-7D100-A -- Separator Gasket........... -- $8.81
F4AZ-7F247-A -- 1-2. Accumulator Cover... -- $9.23
F2VY-7A191-A -- Tranny Gasket................ -- $21.95 (optional)

Everything with tax totals at $201.90, AND the guy says P/N for 2-3 Accumulator is obsolite and he can't find it. (F7AZ-7H292-BA)

Are these prices fair?

I got 149k, no tranny service from 110k, should I get the tranny gasket?
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That seems pretty damn high. What you should do is become an member ($40 for a year), and you will save that in the J-Mod parts alone (of damn close to it).
Not sure if I should give out numbers/places to "non-members", so sorry about that.
The parts I believe should be around $100. I have a brand new deep sump pan I can sell ya cheap if you want.
Not sure about that p/n though, may just wanna do a search.

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F6AZ-7A194-A -- Deep sump pan............. -- $30.29
EOAZ-7D189-A -- Reverse Servo............... -- $21.92
F75Z-7H188-AA-- 2.7" OD Servo............... -- $29.57
F87Z-7F201-AA-- 2.7" OD S. Spring............ -- $6.60
F2VY-7A191-A -- Tranny Gasket................ -- $21.95 (optional)
Don't buy these things and save yourself alot of money. Also, the gaskets (sep. plate) should be no more than $4 each, if they are, you're getting ripped off.

Also, if they can't find a 2-3 accumulator, you talked to a moron. Tell them you need a 2-3 accumulator piston for a 2000 Mustang GT 4R70W. They make them, and it's not hard to find on a computer.

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yeah, you're getting raped. All the parts you need and the fluid should be just under/over $100 (it was around there for me). But I already had the pan

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if you do the work yourself and its for a 95 for the 300 horsepower setting, well mine was 107$$
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I can understand not doing the reverse servo, but isn't there a more positive engagement of the OD band if you upgrade to the 2.7 servo? Wouldn't this save wear on the OD band?

Also, isn't the deep sump pan a good idea? Doesn't it keep the pump from sucking air on hard corners?

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If you go to Autozone, you can get a 97 deep sump filter for $15. Don't ask for a 95, or 96...they will give you the flat one without the intake tube that fits in the sump.

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Yea, I'm doing work myself. Can you give me an idea which parts you installed, which you didn't, and if possible prices for the parts if you still have the reciept or remember?

I went to beach ford in North Miami Beach. They claim they are the most prestigious ford dealer around here, they even have Beach in their name, even thought they're 3 or 4 miles away from any beach! Total gheddo. I'll probably check out prices at other dealers.

As for member stuff, I'm a member of SFO, I don't own a t-bird.
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Unless you have a friend at a dealer, they are gonna charge you LIST.
(Or on the Platinum Coast - more than list!)
Try an online ford dealer, like Fordparts.com or 5-Star Ford. That will get you about 30% off of list. Or you can also get most of it at any good rebuilders supply MUCH cheaper. Notice I said good, don't buy junk. Stick with dealers in Transtek, Transtar, etc.

As for your dealer being 3-4 miles from any beach - anything that far from the beach IS a getto. The Rich line the shore, with the masses of poor inland behind them...
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Eh.. who needs 4th gear... redline is like 110/120 (can't remember) in 3rd... :-)

85 in 2nd... :-)

Can't argue with that...

Although that won't be the case once i get my 4.10s...


On a serious note, don't really need to do most of the "optional" things. I'd leave the 1-2 top spring in. 1-2 is pretty harsh otherwise. Don't need to do the reverse or OD. The OD gain isn't worth the hassle, it's pretty easy to screw up the OD, and you won't know you screwed up until it's back together and your driving it.

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GregFL, man. You're my best friend from now on! Everything from Fordparts.com totals to $100.24, and if I get that filter from AutoZone it be under $100!!!


F7AZ-7F251-AA -- PISTON ASSEMBLY-TRANS 1-2.............$10.46
F75Z-7F284-BA -- SPRING-TRANS 1-2 SHI.......................$2.75
F6AZ-7A194-A -- PAN-TRANS OIL..................................$17.27
F6AZ-7A098-A -- FILTER & SEAL ASSEMBLY-TR.............$20.51
EOAZ-7D189-A -- PISTON ASSEMBLY-TRANS REV..........$10.23
F75Z-7H188-AA -- PISTON & ROD ASSEMBLY-TRA..........$16.86
F87Z-7F201-AA -- SPRING-TRANS O/DRIVE...................$2.60
F2VY-7C155-A -- GASKET-TRANS CONTR V...................$2.31
F5AZ-7D100-A -- GASKET-TRANS VLV BOD....................$3.21
F4AZ-7F247-A -- COVER & SEAL ASSEMBLY-TRA...........$3.64
F2VY-7A191-A -- GASKET-TRANS OIL PAN.....................$10.40

These prices from Fordparts are about 60% less of what that dealer wanted. I am doing the complete j-mod, including OD and reverse.

And the gasket for upper intake manifold to replace my EGR costs $3.72, I payed $9.42 before tax at that gheddo dealer today!!! Let that be the last time I shopped there! I usually eyeball new mustangs when I drive through there, not any more. I'm disgusted with people at that dealership, I'll make sure I caution people from buying there whenever I can.


NOW, THE PROBLEM:

Part number given in Tranny 101 for 1995 2-3 Accumulator is incorrect. Neither dealer nor Fordparts.com has it listed: F7AZ-7H292-BA

However, I just entered it as -AB instead of -BA and it gave me:
F7AZ-7H292-AB.............TRANS- 2-3 ACUM PST
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NOW, THE PROBLEM:

Part number given in Tranny 101 for 1995 2-3 Accumulator is incorrect. Neither dealer nor Fordparts.com has it listed: F7AZ-7H292-BA

However, I just entered it as -AB instead of -BA and it gave me:
F7AZ-7H292-AB.............TRANS- 2-3 ACUM PST
Yes some of the part #'s listed in the tech articles are not valid anymore. But usually Max will tell you the new ones when you call.

You really don't need to do the reverse servo and OD. Not really worth it. Unless you really like tranny fluid in your face and want to risk screwing up the OD. I would say that 98% of us with J-mods didn't do the OD/Reverse. And of those who did the OD, about half have problems, not very good odds. There is A LOT of fluid in the reverse bore, so that will dump all over you (i got it in the face). I did the reverse servo, but bought the parts for the OD, but didn't do it.

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The thing is, I'm doing j-mod on 1996 cat for a guy, and he wants to replace OD spring. So by the time I get to mine I'll have some practise already. I work carefully on things like that, so I don't expect to screw up. I'll have to see thought, I'll read the article again and compare prices, perhaps you right, 149k tranny might not need this at all. Though, in tranny 101 it says do reverse servo for maximum torque?

BTW: You just reminded me to bring my old chemistry apron for the job.
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Latest news. I'm doing everything expect reverse and OD. Total cost, including brake spray and tranny gasket and shipping, is $88.xx.. Thank you all for your recommendations today, it really helped. Special thanx to GregFL!
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you don't need the pan gasket, your old one is reusable.

Secondly, put the money you saved on the gasket towards a 98+ deep sump pan with drainplug.

Money well spent.

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What can you tell me about valve cover gaskets? Do I need those when installing new (used) valve covers?
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I second some of the above advice. Skip the reverse servo - you will gain nothing.
I would do the OD piston/spring, but you have to be very careful to get it aligned properly. It will increase OD apply pressure and reduce slippage on the highway.

Get the dimpled pan, it is needed for vigorous driving - you will starve the tranny during hard stops and cornering without it. And make certain that you get the right filter - it has a pickup tube - when you do. (97->)

Good Luck.
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you don't need the pan gasket, your old one is reusable.

Secondly, put the money you saved on the gasket towards a 98+ deep sump pan with drainplug.

Money well spent.

Nah, don't make that mistake. That pan cost like twice as much, you can get the normal deep sump and buy a plug kit for $4.

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*g* I'd love a plug kit for $4. Where?
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How about one for $1.00?
You guys... jeeze...

I used an 8mm (6mm head) metric allen head screw and a nylon sealing washer.
Brazed a nut to the inside of the pan after thinning it on the bench grinder.
Viola - drain plug. Beats that utter POS B&N thing...

You could even use plumbing solder to afix the nut, but make certain it's 60% tin or better for greater strength. Tin it first to make certain there is a good bond.
Be sure you don't braze/solder it to a place that interferes with the internals.
If soldered, don't wrench on it too hard or you will break the joint.

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*g* I'd love a plug kit for $4. Where?
Summit Racing, I paid $4 for my drain plug kit from them.

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It's 6.50! It's a rip off! j/k

Is there any special place on 96 pan to drill the hole? Send pics.
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It's 6.50! It's a rip off! j/k

Is there any special place on 96 pan to drill the hole? Send pics.
I had ordered some other stuff from them at the time, so I wasn't too concerned with $4, woohoo!

I put mine on the back side of the dimple that sticks down, so it drains fully, but i made sure that it doesn't stick down any lower than the pan itself, so no risk of hitting the plug.

I thought the plug kit was nice, because it drains through the center of the main bolt, you just remove the small plug bolt, that is better than removing an entire bolt, and risking the nut on the inside coming loose. In my opinion...

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I thought the plug kit was nice, because it drains through the center of the main bolt, you just remove the small plug bolt, that is better than removing an entire bolt, and risking the nut on the inside coming loose. In my opinion...
Don't take offense - I actually bought one but refused to use it. Wanna buy it?
It sticks up into the pan 3/4" and doesn't allow ALL the fluid to drain.
And that crappy nut will come off far more easily than a nut brazed or soldered to the pan - especially when that plastic washer cracks... And it HAS to be mounted on a completely flat surface.

And since brazing a nut to the inside of the pan is what every manufacturer that uses steel pans does... well... I'm in good company...

But if you REALLY want one, and are in a hurry, AutoZone has the B&N drain plug in all their stores for about $7.00.
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I bought a "knock-off" kit, wasn't even B&M, anyways about having to solder the nut, you don't have to do that. How tight are you guys tightening the little drain screw in the middle anyways? What I did is ditched the plastic washer and bought a $0.10 O-ring to fit on it instead, as tight as you can get that 13mm bolt with your fingers is all it needs to be, that way you don't damage the O-ring and you don't have any risk of the nut coming off on the inside because you guys want to crank the damn thing to 30 ft/lbs.

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I bought the B&M kit, when i bought my tranny cooler...

I installed my kit per spec and torqued to the spec's they listed with my torque wrench...

But yeah, we all have our own opinions on thhings

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Read the post completely - None of this 'overtorque' business applies - I simply never installed it! And the soldering/brazing stuff doesn't apply to the B&N drain.

Instead of a 1/2" hole in the pan, I have a neat, flush 5/16" hole - and it has worked great on all the pans I have installed it on for the past 25 years - it's small, unobtrusive, and cheap! See?

http://videodoc.home.mindspring.com/images/drain.jpg

I've overhauled plenty of transmissions in my day...

But yes, to each his own...

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Uhh, that's a nice tranny pan color. I gonna paint my white with J-MOD written on it in Ford red. Summit Racing want $8 for just handling, that already comes to too much. I gonna see if I can get B&M kit from AutoZone, if not I don't mind draining it like usual, it's every 20k anyway, for me that's every year and a half. For soldering I don't have the stuff.
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