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need help blown trans (pretty sure)

First thing first I know its not a T-Bird and I understand the history but, I have a 95 Mustang GTS (5.0) with a AODE and I need to which tranny's will work to replace mine because every AODE I find for a Mustang(5.0) is trashed already I need one to use while I rebuild the AODE that is in the car now. will newer 3.8 trans work? which years of T-bird or crown Vic trans will work?will I have to change ext housing and will my converter/driveshaft work? going to buy 1 tomorrow so I need help.
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I don't know of any good transmission to put in that car,unless you somehow got the computer to cooperate with the gear ratio. I'd suggest you build that one or have it built.
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In the long run it would be much simpler and easier just to rebuild your tranny. I bet in the time spent getting a tranny shipped and installing it is about the same turnaround time as for a rebuild. When you get it rebuilt, upgrade to the mechanical diode one-way clutch (also requires the reverse drum to be replaced). Use the spiral lock retaining ring from http://www.bulkpart.com/ to hold it on.

mid 92-94 Crown Vics and 94-5 Mustangs are the only cars with AODE's, and none of the CV AODE's will bolt up to a 3.8/5.0 . If you want the same thing, you're stuck finding an AODE from a 5.0, as the 3.8L ones aren't built as strong. Check the other thread for more info on swapping. If you were swapping in a 4R70W for a short time, you could get away with swapping the housings, but if you're thinking of a permanent change then swap the driveshaft yoke.
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Stupidity and a Pontiac GTO.
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Heh...I think mine died when I raced this hot(!!!!!) chick in a GTP at school. It didn't die right away, but about 20 minutes after that it was toast. I think it was worth it. I got whooped by the hottest girl I've ever seen.
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In the long run it would be much simpler and easier just to rebuild your tranny. I bet in the time spent getting a tranny shipped and installing it is about the same turnaround time as for a rebuild. When you get it rebuilt, upgrade to the mechanical diode one-way clutch (also requires the reverse drum to be replaced). Use the spiral lock retaining ring from http://www.bulkpart.com/ to hold it on.

mid 92-94 Crown Vics and 94-5 Mustangs are the only cars with AODE's, and none of the CV AODE's will bolt up to a 3.8/5.0 . If you want the same thing, you're stuck finding an AODE from a 5.0, as the 3.8L ones aren't built as strong. Check the other thread for more info on swapping. If you were swapping in a 4R70W for a short time, you could get away with swapping the housings, but if you're thinking of a permanent change then swap the driveshaft yoke.
PS~ what finally did the tranny in?
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will the explorer trans work? assume change tailshaft.
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Change driveshaft and gear set.
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why change gearset and driveshaft? case is same lenghth if you swap tailshaft isnt it? why change gearset?
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Because you need an aod/e not a 4r70w. The main difference is the gearset.
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ok not thinking planetary, thinking rear gears, sorry my mind has drifted a little- driveshaft talk made me think rear and I just found pinion seal leak. (damnit) found a rear main leak too. (double damnit) and found out my rear brakes need to be done (surprisingly not a triple damnit because I have Cobra set I have been waiting to install)
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Because you need an aod/e not a 4r70w. The main difference is the gearset.
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Would there be a problem running the wider ratio gearset? I would think swapping a 4R in would be an improvement.

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Well, it would be an improvement except for the computer is looking for a whole different set of gear ratios. The AODE is an electronic controlled transmission thus the E on the end. It has the same gearset as the AOD but the computer controls the shifting on the AODE. You can swap gearsets in an AOD with no problem since the computer doesn't control the shift in those.
Now, a reflash to tell the computer on an AODE equipped car that the gearset is different would allow you to use the wide ratio gearset from a 4R70W.

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what about using a v-6 trans for short time?(while rebuilding AODE) they are easier to find and much cheaper when you do find them. Most scrapyards almost hang up on you when you ask for one for a 5.0L Mustang. and those that dont laugh at you when you ask about a warranty. I imagine that the T-bird guys get it alot when trying to use parts from other cars to modify for their cars . I once had a shop owner ask me to leave because I asked for a part for my 460 that was in my Mustang. But thats a different topic(Sorry) also doesnt ford Racing Performance offer wide ratio kit for the AODE? wonder what they do?
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For a short time like that you could use a v6 mustang AODE or a 4R70W (if you swapped the tail shaft housing)... the v6 stang one would be preferred for your case.

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would I have to swap tailshaft housing on V-6 trans? thought they were same.
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if you use a v6 mustang AODE it's plug and play.

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picked up trans they said was 95 Mustang 3.8 and just saw a tag on trans pan that says 98 4r70w- any way to tell difference between AODE and 4r70w?
i put the driveshaft in the tailshaft and it doesnt click so i assume it doesnt have mech diode so is there any other way to tell?

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ok decided to drop pan found:

NoGasket-Maybe pan is from another trans
Solenoids-all have early part numbers
Solenoid wiring-Not a black plastic circuit board style

So I think it is an AODE but you might want to leave this post up for others.
and also maybe you guys know how to tell without puling pan.



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I J-Moded my stock tranny is it safe to transfer that valvebody to this trans?
Thought solenoids that were in tranny had to stay with that tranny.

2
How hard is it to add the 2 extra clutches to bring it up to V-8 strength?

thnx for help in advance.

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The tail shaft housings are different - if your driveshaft is out, slide it into the housing. If It's a 4R70W, the yoke will wobble around like nobodys business. If It's an AODE, them it will fit the same as your current tranny. Also see if you can tell the color of the seal. So far, all of the 4R70W seals I've seen have had yellow on them, and the AOD/AODE seals have red on them. I'll send a pic to show you the difference.

If you turn the output shaft and it clicks, it has a Mech diode in it. If it goes squeeeeeeaaakkk when you turn it, it is both a roller one-way clutch and it's guaranteed NOT to be a 98+ transmission. The wires in the pan also confirm this.


Assuming this is an AODE, you will be able to drive around on this trans for a while just fine while you rebuild your other one.

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The different output shaft seals Like I mentioned:

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My seal is yellow but my solenoids are f5's.my yoke from my stock trans fit fine kinda tight. Normally tight that is also had Evil accumulators in it but no scoring on sidewalls or on the pistons.so I'm certain its not a 98+ what is part number for early 4r70w solenoids?I'm really leaning towards thinking this thing is an AODE but the seal thing has me wondering. also think its ok to swap Valvebody?

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maybe in rebuild I'll install 4r70 planetary's and other 4r70 parts and get a reflash. Seems like it is alot better trans.
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If the yoke fits as tight in this as it does in your stocker, then it's an AODE. You could always measure the sizes of the seals in different places and see if they match also. The 4R70W seals are noticeably bigger.

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Cover me I'm going in!!!

ok found out from Mr. Torrie R. McPhail - (Owner)
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that my transmission is indeed a 4r70w of 96 vintage so I contacted the Yard where I purchased the Transmission and Told him I needed to swap it out for a 98-99 3.8L Mustang Tranny because I searched their inventory and they have no 94-95 V-8 Transmissions and they dont give refunds so I chose next best thing a Mechanical Diode 4R70w I heard from several people that the Computer doesnt care about ratios just line pressure and that if I swapped my TCC and MLPS into the new trans and rewired some of the Plugs that all would be fine. so going to swap it on saturday wish me luck...If anyone has any objections speak now or forever hold your peace..... Cover me I'm going in!!!


Oh yeah and if anyone can help my specifically with pin outs I'd be grateful.
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you may find you may need to swap your old OSS onto the new trans - in short, dont throw out the electronics form your old tranny as you may need them later.

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I believe the oss is same from 92-2000 but 2001 is same so I think I am fine, unless I am wrong but correct me if I am (dont let me make myself look stupid for god sake) I know thats a full time job sometimes.
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