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What can I tell everyone why i got such a high...

stall for my birdie... everyone keeps going on and on oh man thats way to high blah blah.. its just annoying, should I keep my mouth shut or show em at the track why I got such a high stall?

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stall for my birdie... everyone keeps going on and on oh man thats way to high blah blah.. its just annoying, should I keep my mouth shut or show em at the track why I got such a high stall?
Just tell 'em they're a F-in idiot,and move on.
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Believe he was talking about a 3800...

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Man that is WAY too high of a stall!!! What are you thinking??






J/K, show em at the track, actions speak louder than words. Most people who argue about what they don't know are too stubburn to learn until they see it.
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what keith and JL said.. i use that line all the time..

You're a fu***ng idiot, get away from me

of course, thats usually for the honda boyz w/ an a/f and boost gauge in a pillar pod.. but no sending unit or turbo? why you have it? cuz it has pretty colors... right.. see quote
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Tell them: I saw it on 2Fast 2Furious, so it must be a good idea.
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I'm about to reinstall mine, I just had it raised some more, asked for 4500 this time. The one in my Lightning is 3500, everyone, I mean everyone thinks that is too high, but I have yet to see another one sixty foot as quick unless they are a good bit quicker through the quarter. Track times don't lie. Let em keep thinking that way.
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As far as street drving is concerned, how does the car drive and react to having a high stall converter as opposed to a stock one.

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tell them to watch and learn... i bet that thing tears the tires off! darrell
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As far as street drving is concerned, how does the car drive and react to having a high stall converter as opposed to a stock one.

It will feel a little sluggish in traffic until the converter locks up. There really isn't much downside to having high stall with a lockup converter. Slightly less gas mileage and hard to get moving on snow and ice. You have to relearn the vehicle, punching it in a corner that you always punched it in before could be hazardous.
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oh im excitied now But I can't do that anymore... Got me to many points.. I do remember doing that once taking this girl for a ride and the shift took the car almsot all the way around! Id be scared of the 3800!

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Just tell them "yeah, you're right", then beat their ***... f-ing idiots...

No down side to high stall that I ever felt.. until I put the custom ground Compcams in.. then it was a little tough moving short distances at slow speed, until SCT spent two days driving the car around doing a driveability tune...

By the way James, you might suggest to Lonnie that he get my tune from J. It might save him some time with your's.

I used to swap back and forth between the '96 (3200) and the '95 (stock) daily.. and never even knew it.. you just get used to it.. now the brakes were another story.. I had the 13" dual piston brakes on the '96 and the stock brakes on the '95.. that was day and night.

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am i going to have to replace alot of tires?

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ha! i replace my tires every 18 months

oh, thanks Mike.. JL told me that J had your file and then he stole your cams.

grab your file, remove the gear change, add 03 GT maf and we should be set... i may even have ported heads and 10:1 CR by then as well.. we shall see...

stall probably only gonna be 2800 though for a while..
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ha! i replace my tires every 18 months

oh, thanks Mike.. JL told me that J had your file and then he stole your cams.

grab your file, remove the gear change, add 03 GT maf and we should be set... i may even have ported heads and 10:1 CR by then as well.. we shall see...

stall probably only gonna be 2800 though for a while..
Well if you're gonna bump the compression, JL's might work a bit better.. I was only talking about Lonnie using the idle parameters... you should have the GT MAF and 3.73's by now.. heck you're the Chapter Pres.. what kind of example are you setting..

Where are you getting the heads?? and I got that PI converter from DR and he's pretty notorious for ordering them with the 2800 stock stall.. and I never tested it.. 2800, 3200 .. there's not enough diff there to affect the tune that much.. just get it to lock aggressively right after shift in 2nd and 3rd..

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am i going to have to replace alot of tires?
Only if you drive the car.

Does it matter?

Seriously, the higher stall keeps your tires from spinning at WOT in first gear.. that's the purpose. Get yourself a set of Hoosier QT Pros for the track, and keep your foot out of it on the street (yeah, right).. it's the power you've got that'll burn the tires, not the TC.

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example? how to work at a bum job and still manage to snag a $500 set of cams?

and i can't find a diffy i like... GT maf is in.. trans is hangin out, TC is hangin out.. just in search of a low miles block... and i might have found one in tampa..

i was considering that 2800 from Circle D that Danner was selling.... but need loot for something else right now


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oh well i cant burn the tires now anyways.... but i was hoping VT would come along with some kooks to help me out a lil

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Thought my ears were burning....

I've got a PI that is suppose to be 3600 but actually stalls about 3200, it's a triple disc. I've had to detune my car because I can't keep it from smoking the tires just pulling out in traffic here. I've been here a year as of last week and I put on a brand new set of tires just weeks before driving to FL. The rears are almost completely bald now. I've only drove the Lincoln maybe 6 or 7 months total here. I had it locking up right after the 2nd and 3rd shift but that was just too much and any aggressive throttle to pull out in traffic or get around an idiot would put the car sideways or if hot and or wet almost a 180 if I let it. I've even taken out 3 degrees of timing and backed off the trans pressures and lockups.

I don't have it looking up right after the 2nd gear shift right now. I'm trying to find a good setup that will give me some better around town driving and help with gas. I can always switch back to the more aggressive program when I need to. Gas mileage sucks in town at about 15.5 - 16 mpg right now.

When I do nail it on dry pavement I have to be rolling or the car just sits and spins while slowly drifting sideways. At a rolling start it smokes the tires then catches until about 5200 rpm when it then breaks the tires loose again until the shift. At about 35 - 40 mph if I punch it will smoke them all the way through what is left of 1st and I'm having to correct for the rear end trying to pass up the front end. The 2nd gear shift starts the process all over again until about mid rpm then the tires grip again only to go through the process again in 3rd but without the tires breaking loose a second time at the higher rpms.
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Thought my ears were burning....

I've got a PI that is suppose to be 3600 but actually stalls about 3200, it's a triple disc.
James.. I'd check into this.. I think KD's 2800 is OK, and Circle D does a helluva job, but 3200 may be a little closer to what you need for the track.. and if you want you can send it down to Circle D for refresher clutches and have them stall it for you if you need is changed...

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I've been here a year as of last week
Hard to believe DR and I were on speaking terms only a year ago.. seems like forever ago...

Lots of water under the bridge..


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Mike, got a number or website for circle D.

One of the texas guys told me about them a while back, but I lost their info.

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James.. I'd check into this.. I think KD's 2800 is OK, and Circle D does a helluva job, but 3200 may be a little closer to what you need for the track.. and if you want you can send it down to Circle D for refresher clutches and have them stall it for you if you need is changed...
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I beleive he is talking about a 11&1/4 diameter converter. That will not be able to have it's stall increased beyond that 2800. If you need more stall make more torque or go to a smaller unit.
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Mike, got a number or website for circle D.

One of the texas guys told me about them a while back, but I lost their info.

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